Black People : The only thing that a pan-Africanist should want

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  1. African_Prince

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    for African people is their happiness. Happiness is the only intrinsic good and suffering is the only intrinsic bad, all other things are good or bad only on the basis that they cause happiness or suffering. The single goal of pan-Africanism should be to maximize/minimize the sum total of happiness/distress among African people.

    Do you agree? Why or why not?
     
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    Define "happiness," "distress," "bad," and "good." It's likely that not everyone will define those concepts identically. If a pan-Africanist understands that, then she or he will have to begin their quest by identifying folks who embrace the concepts as they do---otherwise, their mission will be pointless.



     
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    I'm using 'happiness' as an umbrella term for any positive or pleasurable emotion, happiness is any feeling that is internally approved or liked. Distress is any negative or aversive feeling, any state of mind that is unwanted.
     
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    1 what conditions do you regard as hapiness among Africans here and abroad?

    2 and what conditions do you concider to be stress?

    3 Do you concider complacency to be stress or happiness?

    4 and do you concider hard work and struggle to be stress or hapiness?
     
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    Happiness and distress are (very basic) emotions. Conditions, work, struggle etc. lead to happiness or distress but have no inherent value independent of the effect that they have on one's emotional state of mind.

    It may be that eating an apple makes one person very happy while it causes a great deal of stress to another. The things that cause happiness only have instrumental value, the goal should be happiness itself.
     
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    If the terms are that general, then an answer to the three questions

    would provide a better understanding of the implications of your theory to establish the goals of pan Africanism
     
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    I know the literal meaning of the terms. I simply meant that people will take on personal understandings of them. If you understand that, how is Pan-Africanism going to have a goal of 'happiness' for Black people? It wouldn't line up.




     
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    I don't understand.
    I don't understand this either.

    What would you two say that the goal of pan-Africanism, afrocentrism, black nationalism or any pro-black world view is? Why is racism bad, if not for the distress that it causes. Why would we discourage war, poverty, slavery etc. if these things did not cause suffering? What point is there to friendship, sex, entertainment, spirituality etc. if not happiness or pleasure? What besides happiness do you want for the people that you love?
     
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    It would be jurisprudent for you to be kind enough to make clear an others analysis of your terms, and unless you are willing to respond to both of our requests,
    how can any understanding be established in context to this discussion?

    Philosophy is based upon the understanding of knowledge, to attain wisdom, not merely espousing asumptions that are unchallengable or questionable

    that is what fanatical religion does, which is antithetical to Pan Africanism, and Black Nationalism.

    It restates its own premiss and ideology, without providing any practical context,
    and refuses to dialogue, with reason and logic, in order to acquire mutual frame work of understanding

    Sister SophiaStewart, was defrauded of a story about, pleasure and pain happinessand stress,

    calledthe Third Eye,

    and changed to the Matrix

    where was Cypher happy?

    On a cruddy looking claustrophobic ship , in a world with no sun, and, dressed in hobo grunge, eating goopy mucus like microbes in a bowl?
    Free? and ready to free others?

    Or in a 5 star restaraunt dressed immaculatly, sipping a classic Bordeaux, and dining on an aged Filet Mignon?
    As a Slave and a Sellout?
     
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