Black Spirituality Religion : The OCTOGON

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    Eight is enough we used to say when it came to a family. Lets explore the Egyptian myths, motifs of their creation stories that influenced the Bible.

    In the Hermopolitian Creation myth, four males and four females emerged from the primeval flood and crawled onto the first land. These 8 were known as the Ogdoad collectively gave birth to Ra who floated on a lotus while the benben bird flew above. These eight were called by different names at different times.

    1. Nun 5. Naunet the primeval waters
    2.Huh 6. Hauhet the boundless and its opposite
    3. Kuk 7. Kauket darkness and its opposite
    4. Amen 8. Amaunet i.e. the hidden wind an its opposite

    1.Frog 5. Snake
    2. Frog 6. Snake
    3. Frog 7. Snake
    4. Frog 8.Snake In Hebrew the letter for Nun evolved from image of a serpent.

    Nun signified the primeval flood and Egyptians usually portrayed him in anthropomorphic form, standing waist high in the primeval waters and holding aloft a solar boat with the other 7 deities.

    Now enters Noah with a Boat too having four males and females emerged from a worldwide flood after a mountain arouse out of the waters and incorporate the story of the black Raven/BenBen Bird.

    Noah’s family of himself, 1, his three sons and their 4 wives corresponds to Egyptian creation Octagon stories:

    1. Noah=Nun Jesus comes like Noah (Luke 17:26) therefore is Joshua son of Nun. “By God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water” 2 Peter 3:5.
    2. Ham black soil/land emerging from the waters of the Nile; hence we have Adam/Atum coming into existence from dust/black mud forming a mound.
    3.Shem in Hebrew its root means eight which takes us to hermopolis, Egypt
    4. Japheth= transliteration as Ja or Jo. In J-PT part of the names contains the same letters used for the Memphite Creator deity, Ptah. The name Ptah symbolized the relationship of combining the eight Hermopolitian deities with Ptah.Ptah , the primeval hill , who is the thought and word of all the gods. Ptah names the eight gods. Jesus would be Ptah the word in 2 Peter 3:5 and in John’s The Word.

    Another set of Egyptian Eight:

    1.Shu (Air)
    2. Tefnut (Moisture or fire)
    3.Geb (Earth) also Joseph Jesus earthly father but in body/earth of Mother Mary the Nun
    4. Nut (Sky)
    5. Osiris given new life with substitute penis/Obelisk and this is the real origin of circumcision on the Eighth day in the Bible.
    7.Seth (opposite of good). This is why bible says God created evil
    8.Depths (unseen world.

    In the Bible it states “the generations of heaven and earth (Gen 2:4-7). As if heaven and earth were husband/Geb/earth and wife/Nut/sky

    If you read the first chapter of Genesis you can match up the four elements with the Egyptian:

    1. Earth and heaven took space but had no form or content
    3. Watery deep
    4. A wind/Spirit upon the waters

    The darkness was the deep, abyss of the water (Nun). In the beginning God created the heaven and earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters (Gen. 1:1-2)

    The Hebrews adopted the Egyptian creation scheme but separated the deity from the natural phenomena.

    Now in Christian baptism we have some components of the Egyptian creation myths:

    1. Emerged in water Nun and comes standing up as a pillar/Obelisk
    2. A Dove spirit/Benben bird flies over your head
    3. We hear the voice of God/Ptah
    4. We have the heaven opening up

    Remember Nun was pictured waist deep in water holding up the 7 other deities.

    IN THE New Testament
    Matthew 3:11-17 states in part:
    11. I indeed baptize you with water unto Water/Nun
    Repentance: but he that cometh after me is
    Mightier than I, whose shoes I’am not worthy
    To bear: he shall baptize you with the holy Shu/Air / Amen
    Ghost, (spirit or air) and with fire Fire/Tefnut
    16.And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up
    Straightway out of the water: and lo, the Water/Nun
    Heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the
    Spirit (or Air) of god descending like a dove (BenBen bird/stone was regeneration)
    And lighting (fire) upon him. Lighting/Tefnut/Shu
    And a voice came from heaven (The voice is the Word/commands of God/Ptah?)


    The Memphite theory states that Ptah created from his heart and tongue/word from which Horus had come forth as Ptah , from which Thoth come forth as Ptah. “ No man hath seen God (Amen) at anytime; the (Jesus/Horus) the only begotten Son/Sun which is in the bosom/Heart of the father (Ptah) John 1:18

    Also John reports “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of god, even to them that believe on his name”-John 1:12.Sons of God = sons of Horus. All legitimate Kings in power were the living personification of Horus. Now Jesus was an Egyptian King why else compare his death with the killing of the firstborn kings of Egypt. The last part “even to them that believe on his name” is a veiled reference to Amen/Truth.

    Jesus was also a form of Thoth/Ptah/ and Horus. Most famously Jesus making wine at Cana is Horus making grape-water at a Canal. In Hebrew Cana means Nest while in Egypt Net is goddess of Canals. In addition to this there are over 200 single items linking Horus with Jesus.

    Thoth is the magic man. Heka was a word for magic and sometimes depicted as a deformed/incomplete frog. In the Bible a carbon copy of Christ is 666 with two horns like a lamb/Ram. Ram was another word for Amen and 666 has something to do with the nature of crocodiles being another word for messiah and having magic/wisdom/insight/ and forethought