Black Christians : The Nicolaitan Way, "Of which I hate!"

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    The Nicolaitan Way, “Of which I hate!”
    NICOL-Laitans-- The Cholchians & Ole Saint Nicholas [Cholas] p.1

    Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; …I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience,…and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted…

    But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
    REVELATION 2: 1-4, 6.​

    Names stemming from Nike include amongst others: Nicholas, Nick, Nikolai, Nils, Klaas, Nicole, Ike, Niki, Nikita, Nika, Niketas, and Nicola.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology)

    The Nicholaitans -- The Original Celts [Keltoi--Amalek]

    Hate is a strong word, but it is the word that Jesus [in spirit] used to define the practices of the ancient Cholchians. Under the specific name ‘the Cholchians’, these people are tied to their lands in which they are known to have developed their culture and distinct practices for which they became known for since that time and for the following thousands of years. This area would be present-day SOUTH RUSSIA but in the past it was known by other distinct names. It was known as ‘IBERIA’, ’the Iberian Peninsula’, ’GEORGIA’, ‘South Georgia’ and ‘Cholkis’ [Kolcis…]. And all of these names carry unique history with respect to the original Cholchians. The name ‘Iberian’ connects them to the vast history that surrounds the words ‘Siberia’ and ‘Iberia’ [ancient Europe] and also connects these people to the land and history of ‘the Celtiberians’ of Portugal. The name ‘Georgia’ connects them to the history of ‘the British Celts’ [White Celts] and would be why the very names of rulers like ‘King George’ and ‘George Washington’ should strike a chord in our minds. One of the Thirteen Colonies was named ‘Georgia’ and was set up to be ‘a penal colony’ and this too should ring a bell in our minds. All of these terms connect today’s British people, English people, with the very history of the ancient and original Celts to the land of South Russia. Here in this land area of South Russia, the history of the ancient Cholchians became suppressed and hidden. And even though Jesus clearly states his passion against the practices of these people, nevertheless it has been covered up. We need to ask ourselves why? Why have we been forced to celebrate and honor SANTA CLAUS [Ole Saint Nicholaus], of which obviously carries the very name that Jesus mentioned? And more importantly, why has ‘the Church’ not taught us about this culture? Why did the white Church not teach us about what was even written in the Bible? Why do the Church honor this holiday in which they named ‘Christmas’ but yet, has nothing to do with Jesus Christ? Why the deception?

    Jesus specifically uses the term ‘Nicolaitans’ to John-the-Revelator because it encompasses strategic history with regards to the ancient Cholchians. The root name ‘Nicho’ [Nike] belongs to the supreme god of the Cholchians and defines a particular aspect of their god. The negative deeds of the Cholchians in which Jesus refers to are connected to the fact that they were Idol worshipers and their negative deeds can better be understood through the revelations of these idols. Jesus also spoke in regards to one of the Seven Churches set up in West Turkey [I.e. ancient Anatolia] in an area called ‘Ephesus’ about the hated practices of the Nicolaitans and this was due to a major reason. In the land of Turkey [I.e. ancient Asia Minor] this was the land in which the very first eastern trade Capitol set up in order to compete with the trade Capitol of the original Black Babylonians in present day Iraq. In fact, the eastern trade Capitol that set up consisted of ‘a triad trade system’ of which marks one of the main elements that defined the ancient Celts [Amalek-Keltoi]. They were extensive traders. Turkey was just one of the three main eastern-styled trade cities that formed around the Black Babylonians, but even though the original Celts became the backbone of these tri-systems the original lands that they actually formed a culture in was not technically ancient Turkey but South Russia, land area that stretches westwards into Turkey but also even farther down towards the east. It was land that also became marked with natural boundaries such as the Caucasus mountains, the Black Sea and other mountain chains that mark southeastern boundaries. The Cholchians were an eastern people but they had a western look and this became the reason why they became the main kind of people used to completely deceive the Black Babylonians and take them down. By research there becomes so much more information that regards how the Cholchians came to be known in that area of South Russia.

    The original Cholchians were Black people as the root name ‘Chol’ signifies but because they worship the eastern idol, Ashteroth as their most supreme goddess, they do not define themselves as being ‘black’ [black, bronze; or ‘black-brown’] but specifically, they are obsessed with being defined as being originally a brown people. They are Hamitic-typed people due to their matrilineal origins but, they are an eastern people whose beginnings are with the people of Heth [Japheth]. They are Magog. Their entire history revolves around the fact that they classify themselves based upon the color of people of their earliest origins in the Caucasus regions and eastwards of which continually caused them to develop a Color-Caste system wherever they existed throughout time. In ancient scripts it becomes obvious though, that many of them were defined to be just as coal black as other ancient Black people could get or they could be lighter in complexion due to admixtures. When they were apart of other ancient Black civilizations, they identified with other kinds of Black people but when they dominated their own cultures, the original Cholcians define themselves as being specifically, a brown people. Nevertheless, they were a dark skinned people who physically blended in well with other Hamitic [African-typed] peoples and for this reason they could be described as being ‘Chameleons’ [Cham-eleons] in the western lands of Ham [Cham].

    The actual term ‘Nicolaitan’ places the history of the original Cholchians, not only in the region of South Russia but also in other areas in that region. The history of the Nicolai-tans [Nikolaitans] does not only begin in Russia [northeast], but it begins in the east and under the influence of another eastern culture and civilization that formed before they left that area and migrated northwards to settle in South Russia. This would be the strategic reason why Jesus mentions them as being ‘Nicolaitan’. The term ‘Nicolai-tan’ means that the Cholchians are first tied to the ancient Persians in and around present-day Iran; the people of Ai. This region was known by secular authors as ‘Western Asia’, a land area that includes ancient Iran [Persia] and India as being the eastern parts of people that came from this area to settle in the lands of Ham. And for this reason, history has been confused. The term ‘Asia’ incorrectly includes the lands of Ham, in the definition of ‘Western Asia’ but Asians are ‘eastern people’. Again, ancient eastern people defined ‘West Asia’ as being eastern land with their eastern boundaries that comprises ancient Iran and India to the border of the Sea of Aral, and their western boundaries became the Mediterranean Sea. The land area along the Mediterranean Sea was the land of Ham [Cham], meaning it was western land not eastern land. This would be why when many secular scholars write about certain inhuman pagan practices of which became introduced into the west byway of ancient eastern pagan civilizations in Western Asia many of us become confused. Oftentimes, historians omit the fact that these practices actually came from people of whom lived in areas around ancient Iran and India and they eventually migrated westwards into the lands of Ham with Black people like the original Cholchians, the original Canaanites [Phoenicians] and etc. Therefore, in ancient times there arose many great struggles amongst different kinds of people in that land area along the Mediterranean Sea that today has been redefined as being ‘the Middle East’!

    Nevertheless, it was well documented that a lot of evil practices originated from these eastern cultures of people and many of them left the east and brought these practices into the western lands of Ham. One practice was the sacrifice of babies. But the most important practice that defines the early Canaanites and Celtic peoples that became known in the Bible as AMALEK [Ama-LEK--KEL, in reverse script; KELTOI] was their practice of decapitation. Thus their most common name, THE CELTS, came to define this evil practice of human sacrifice. They were the HEAD HUNTERS and also known as SKULL KEEPERS, Scalpers and etc. These Celtic people are written to be the very first culture to develop a nation in the lands of Ham, but history and dates also show that not only did they set up a system in ‘the Middle East’, they had set up their headquarters in the north, and this brings us to the Cholchians in the north and in the land of South Russia and Turkey.

    The Elephant in the Room

    Although almost the entire history of Turkey has been inundated with the dominant presence of Cholchian people and well defined Cholchian cultures that has risen and fallen over the course of thousands of years, yet modern Bible scholars have completely overlooked the obvious definitions of the Nicholaitans in which Jesus spoke so passionately in regards.

    The White Church has completely side stepped the very dominant presence of the Nicholaitans in the land of Turkey by their miniscule interpretation of the Nicholaitans down to the affect that some have said that Jesus could have only possibly referred to one particular man of Turkey [Asia Minor] of whom just happened to be mentioned in the Bible with the name of ‘Nicholas’. But they omit the fact that this man was defined as ‘a proselyte’ and therefore, that would be a total contradiction. The book of Acts [ACTS 6:5] gives the names of seven men of whom were further written to have done great works, one of which was Nicholas the proselyte of Antioch [a city in Southwest Turkey]. Nicholas was a Gentile who converted to Christianity. Yet some scholars have been bold enough to try and explain that the Nicholaitans stemmed from this man. Some scholars have explained away the intense hatred that Jesus and others had for the Nicholaitan practices by offering their interpretations in regards to a possible Gnostic sect and disregarded the dominant presence of the Cholchian cultures that overwhelmed, not only that part of West Turkey, but did influence the whole of Turkey and beyond at that time and for so long. Eventhough there are a few interpretations that at least hint at the immensity of the affect that the Nicholaitans had on Turkey from a much broader and deeper definition than most, still the full presence of the Cholchians in Turkey has not been made fully clear by far. Only part truths have been offered. Why the deception? Could the answer lie in a concerted effort to suppress history with regards to so many Genocide attacks meted out against the dominant presence of the many Black peoples and cultures including the Cholchians that had once lived in the country of Turkey for over thousands of years? Hint: the term ‘Black Sea’ [Euxine Sea] was not called so because the waters of the sea were black!

    Following are some references and quotes that reveal a contradiction of interpretations:

    Barnes commentary
    …it has been supposed that some person now unknown, probably of the name Nicolas, or Nicolaus, was their leader, and laid the foundation of the sect. This is by far the most probable opinion, and to this there can be no objection…it is easily accounted for that the character and history of the founder were so soon forgotten.

    Clarkes commentary
    The deeds of the Nicolaitanes - These were, as is commonly supposed, a sect of the Gnostics, who taught the most impure doctrines, and followed the most impure practices. They are also supposed to have derived their origin from Nicolas, one of the seven deacons mentioned Acts 6:5 (note).

    And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philllip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and *Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: Whom they set before the apostles: …And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. [ACTS 6:5-8]​

    *There is no mention of this Nicholas in a negative light anywhere in the Bible, only that he is included in the confirmation that he was among the priest that ‘were obedient to the faith’. The good works written about that concerns this particular man, a proselyte, has been blasphemed, the Word of God defiled by perverse interpretations in regards to what Jesus referred to concerning the deeds and practices of the Nicholaitans. The term ‘Nicholaitan‘ could represent a sect or practices or a particular culture of Cholchians [Nicholaitans] and this would depend upon the context in reference. In this case Jesus spoke of ‘the deeds’ [practices] of the Nicholaitans and yet in other reference Jesus spoke of ‘the doctrines‘’ [set of beliefs; religion] of the Nicholaitans which he said he also hated [REVELATION 2:15]. This would mean ‘in general’ that any sect, culture, or group of Nicholaitans or practitioners of the Nicholation way that had practices and doctrines that were the same as the well documented ancient Nicholaitans are hated by Jesus. The definition should be considered in its entirety since the significant details about Cholchian practices in the country of Turkey and beyond has been well documented and well defined over the course of time. They are/were a people and culture that existed in the history of Turkey for over thousands and thousands of years.
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    Earliest times--
    The eastern Black Sea region in antiquity was home to the well-developed *bronze culture known as the Colchian culture,…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis

    *Bronze culture means apprx. 2000 BC to 1800s BC. [rise of the Middle Kingdom in Egypt]
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    Kolhida was the name of the land, which is now Western Georgia, whereas the Eastern Part of Georgia was called Iberia. Yes, indeed, like the Iberian Peninsula…the Iberians were tribes which migrated from the South Caucasus towards the West, some reaching Iberian Peninsula,…
    http://georgia.orexca.com/
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    A second South Caucasian tribal union emerged in *the 13th century BC on the Black Sea coast under creating the Kingdom of Colchis in the western Georgia.

    …According to most classic authors, a district which was bounded on the southwest by Pontus, on the west by the Black Sea as far as the river Corax (probably the present day Bzybi River, Abkhazia, Georgia), on the north by the chain of the Greater Caucasus, which lay between it and Asiatic Sarmatia, on the east by Iberia and Montes Moschici (now the Lesser Caucasus), and on the south by Armenia… Strabo makes Colchis begin at *Trabzon, while Ptolemy, on the other hand, extends *Pontus to the Rioni River…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis

    *the 13 century BC means, the 1200s BC [after the Exodus, the end of the 18th Dynasty; the Fall of Troy 7 in NW Turkey and Central Turkey civilization; period known as ‘the Dark Age’];
    *Trabzon and Pontus is North Turkey.
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    The kingdom of Colchis, which existed from *the sixth to the first centuries BCE is regarded as the first early Georgian state and the term Colchians was used as the collective term for early Georgian tribes which populated the eastern coast of the Black Sea.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis

    .*the 6 to the 1st centuries BCE means, the 500s - 100s BCE [Assyrian empire to the Roman Republic times; Punic War times]
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    Why is the Black Sea called so?

    The Black Sea is an inland sea …It was also called “inhospitable” (dark area, black) before Greek colonization, because it was difficult to navigate, and because its shores were inhabited by savage tribes.
    http://www.4to40.com/qa/index.asp?p=Why_is_the_Black_Sea_called_so
     
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    Another piece...as "the book" turns!
     
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    Thanks!!!

    I have so much research about this particular topic, the Cholchians, it's hard to know where to begin.
     
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    I found this when I was browsing the net. She briefly spoke about the Kelts in the Iberian Peninsula. She also says that St. Patrick was a Chola. Although I wouldn't expect her to bring out 'the color issue', this 4 min blog is pretty interesting:



    On this St. Patrick's Day, take a moment to learn a bit of the untold history of the Irish and the Cholas
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    http://www.askachola.com/content/049-cholas-and-irish-untold-history
     
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    Chevron Dove Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Here's another quote:


    The Chola dynasty …was a Tamil dynasty which was one of the longest-ruling in some parts of southern India.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Dynasty
     
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    You should start by putting an outline together---something general to guide the process. It will help us trying to follow your research by providing a timeline of sorts.




     
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    And Here's yet another interesting quote:


    This quotes supports my research in regards to the Cholchians not wanting to be regarded as Black but specifically Brown or Colored:


    Colchians…the term commonly mistranslated to mean 'black-skinned' by Herodotus translates most accurately to 'dark skinned' and was even used to describe tanned Greeks, not black Africans, as is often claimed…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis
     
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    Thanks. Good suggestion.

    I'm going to think about how to do that in a creative way to try and make it plain, because I think there are so many different ways that secular scholars and etc. date their material regarding this 'scattered history'. Trying to bring out certain elements and make it understandable with regards to date and times that can be understood is a task for me. Not only that but, I believe because of the suppression of this sort of what I call 'Black History' when i share it, it might become contraversial.

    I'm getting ready to share another bit of history about them as well.

    Thanks again.
     
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    Honestly, if you are waiting for it not to be controversial, you will never get it done. I'm trying to get myself OUT of the habit of people-pleasing when it comes to discovering the truth; you will find MOST folks (black and nonblack) don't want the boat to be rocked. That's on them---if they thrive off suffering, so be it. I aint' trying to be there no more. So, let your spirit and the Creator continue to guide you---not what people think. Do you what need (and have) to because we are under attack like nobody's business.

    Now, as for as the organization stuff goes, first think about what your ULTIMATE goal is in writing the book---that is what's going to provide the guide for research. A mission statement about why you are being called to write the material (and obviously you are since you've been diligent about presenting it) and what it may take to meet that mission are a good starting point. From what I've seen, you have a lot of different stories which need to be connected. That's going to call for a flow chart; a huge cork board, tacks, yarn, world map, and note cards may be helpful tools to try to string the major events together.



     
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