Black People : The need for a National Black Agenda

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  1. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    that can also be utilized and expressed on a local basis to make demands on all elected officials before elections, state and city.

    a Quarum regarding;

    EDUCATION

    HOUSEING

    EMPLOYMENT

    HEALTH CARE

    COMMUNITY DEFENSE

    AFRICAN INVESTMENT

    FOOD STANDARDS

    AVAILABILITY OF NUTRTIONAL SUPPLEMENTS
     
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    My father and I were just talking about some of this this afternoon.. about
    how we need to take a longer view.. make a 100 year plan.. instead of
    thinking in terms of our own lifespan..
     
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    Thank you brother, this post was made so we can amass our positive energy and input for the benefit of the national community, and hopefully many who care about our Race, will post ideas strategies and items for the agenda, to get input from sisters and brothers around the nation
     
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    I have to ask. If someone among our ranks were to come up with a National Black Agenda, how many of us would take heed to it, and how many would reject it because they didn't come up with it? I remember someone tried that a few years ago, and I'll bet most of us rejected it because it didn't come from who we thought it should have come from. Until we put aside our petty differences, I don't care how many National Black Agendas we come up with, it's just not going to work. It's so true that we need one, but we have to be willing to work with it if it's a good one and not discard it just, for instance, the person or persons don't share the same religious faith as we do. "Divided we fall, United we stand.
     
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    that seems to me to be a concern for the next stage... this stage, I believe,
    is about creating. It's about taking everything you just said into account during
    the process of creating a new proposal.. those things you mentioned are
    not actually reasons why we shouldn't bother.. they are challenges to be
    overcome through bothering.. through acting.. and those things that you
    said, are exactly the kinds of things that we would need people to come and
    share.. let us know why you think it couldn't work and those things can be
    listed as challenges to be overcome through a long term plan..
    One thing I know for sure.. is that they only way to know when the time is
    right, is to try. And as far everyone not being onboard with something,
    well that's life.. everyone is not going to see what you are trying to show
    them.. and if they don't, they don't.. we can't stop trying.. we have to
    add that to the list of challenges to be overcome..

    I believe everything you said is true to a degree.. but I actually don't see
    the disunity that so many other folks speak of.. what I see is a lack of a
    reason to unify.. not that there are no reasons.. their are plenty of
    reasons.. but their are, to my knowledge, no coherent causes that have
    framed the reason to unify in such as way that a major majority
    of black folks feel that they must join the cause.. So, from my perspective,
    it's a matter of properly .. or I should say.. effectively framing the problem
    within the context of a proposed solution.. that's what will get folks motivated to join a
    cause.. What I see alot of is: the framing of problems.. in the context of
    how bad they hurt us... or in the context of how evil they are.. but see
    the context that gets folks going is the context of a realistic workable
    solution. So that we're not just commiserating.. but actually implementing a
    well thought out solution to a properly framed and clearly defined
    problem.. and not just pointing the same stuff.. again and again and again..
     
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    I think we would have to go beyond just laying everything out straight
    forward and plain.. it would have to be enacted in the same way that the
    current system is applied.. more subtle.. more covert.. less sensational.. it
    would need to lull the dominant society to sleep while simultaneously serving
    the purposes set forth in the plan of action.. which is to uplift our folk..
    One thing we know for sure is that their is an active opposition to our very
    existence here in America and in Africa.. we can't afford to be naive about
    what has happened to other movements in the past.. But to do that
    we would have to pull them down from their crosses and pick them and
    their movements apart.. we can't make them into deities that have never
    taking a misstep.. what were Malcolm's weaknesses and missteps.. what
    were Martins? What cold Garvey have done differently? What can we
    learn from Jessie's Rainbow Coalition?.. etc.. I think we have to take a look
    at history in a real and substantive way.. put all the myths aside and deal
    with the reality..

    I think the worst thing the Black panthers ever did, was take a name..
    and identify their leadership... all that did was mark them for deletion..
    those programs should have been covert.. hidden behind the church and
    community centers.. they should not have appeared to be organized.. they
    were naive.. but we have the benefit.. of being able to look back at all the
    movements of the past.. to identify the pitfalls and the obstacles.. and
    create a new plan.. and yes, maybe it is just a plan.. maybe the existence
    of such a plan will inspire folks in directions that they would have never aspired to..
    maybe.. that'll be enough.. or.. maybe 60 years from now.. my
    grandson's son will find it on an old book shelf and read it.. and be inspired to
    act.. Maybe young 360 will take it and print it out and write a new one
    ten times better.. and someone will take his and do the same.. maybe this
    could be a draft of something that 100 drafts later becomes the very
    beginning of something bigger and better.. maybe this is just a seed..
    Even if it's just and exercise for our minds, I think it's healthy, unifying and worthwhile..


     
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    Perhaps , Just perhaps you have something.......................

    It's just an idea, a theory............................

    But why not make the plan.................

    You , design a workable plan...................

    If you designed one, Brother Ankhur design one. And a couple of other brother or sisters design one. Get together over the net make provisions, compromises , edits etc ..................

    What can WE come up with ???

    Is that a start ??? ................:10500:

    Our people are frustrated, angry even, lost hope and faith , Been duped enough, Now, they stay on guard, believing in nothing, hoping in something, yet they can't put their finger on it. Or simply scared too. So I agree with what's highlighted in red.

    But what ya got, might very well work.

    Just an suggestion.

    Johnnie Cochran before he died was working on a similar solution for years that sounds alot like your analysis, In terms of slave restitution. I'm not sure of anybody pick up the ball but I doubt it. although two of his firms are still productive. That was his passion, His baby, You can say. But any hard task it takes just that passion and dedication.

    Anyway, It's just an suggestion. Dedicated collective minds working together towards the same goals can come up with REAL SOLUTIONS !!


    What can WE do ?? ** smile** Can it start with us ?? What better legacy to pass on to our children and grand children ??

    I'm just saying.........................

    :em2300: 2010 we have work to do.

    Peace


     
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    We do need one and for any successful national plan , religion should be totally omitted.

    Integrity, honesty, and basic principles should head any faith or non faith. If we stay along those lines of common human values. No need to isolate or highlight any religion. It should fit all faiths or non faiths.

    We know the sores that keep us divided. Just take them completely out the mix.

    I doubt that any one man can give us another movement or national plan of action that will unify us. I think we saw the last of that. However, I truly believe it must come from us. Unity will be at the hands of many people working towards one goal. In that, We can grow. Committees abiding by rules specific design so corruption doesn't seep in. Never just one person.

    These days one man controlling = Total control means total corruption eventually. History says, not I.

    Man alone have a unbearable burden and a heavy load. A man is just A man. But Many can makes the burden lighter and more eyes alerted for red flags. All passionately dedicated to the mission. Will put any workable , well structured plan that is do-able into action.

    Planting seeds will be the way to go. I agree that after the plan is ready, We must feed them baby food so the majority are prepared to swallow.

    Respect and Peace

    btw: I also think "rank" means tainted. You want unknowns. They are more likely NOT to have been spoiled by the experience of the system. More genuine in spirit. Fresh and virginlike.

    So I think..............:em2300:

     
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    Yes!

    And that's the problem, we want a quick fix.

    We go to the plate expecting to hit the ball out of the park on the first swing, and if
    we don't in the first attempt in the first inning, then its considered a failure.

    We have to learn the work the pitch count, work the bases -get a single or
    double.

    Times will call when we will have to set up a bunt/pop up sacrifice in order to advance the runner or runners.
     
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    Anybody here on drugs...like air, maybe? Do we really think that we're the only geniuses to sit back and think about this stuff...really!? I mean, out of all the older and younger brothers and sisters in political office and who have come up through the ranks and who have been influenced by who knows who...do "we really think that WE ARE THE ONLY ONES TO COME UP WITH STUFF LIKE THIS?"

    Since my common sense and experience says no we are not, the question becomes; "well why hasn't it been done yet?" Now in as much as I do want to give the answer to this question, I really don't. I sort of refuse to believe that we are that blind or naive not to really understand "why it hasn't and never will be done." This ain't the 1960's people and as a whole we are whiter than we have ever been with a value system that belongs to everybody but us.

    So I want to know what "black" people we talking about here. The Africanized ones, the Americanized ones, the Negroes, the Colored people....which ones? I had to ask this because we do not see ourselves, our goals, our thought patterns or socialization the same....thus, no unity. Furthermore, we don't even see our pain the same way or what our real issues are. So while everyone is just throwing ssshyt out here like that's what it is, it would be nice to expand into some reality.
     
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