Black Christians : The Meat of Color

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  1. cherryblossom

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    Lamentations 4:
    [7] Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:
    [8] Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

    Lamentations 5:
    [10] Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

    Job 30:
    [30] My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.
     
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    Very good cherryblossom, I cover this in the book: Does Color Matter? There are many other scriptures that are broken down, as well. When we get into proper exegesis of text, we find that so-call seminary schools of theology fall short, and by-pass this portion of meat...Peace In my sister friend.

     
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    Exodus 4:6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.


    Numbers 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

    Luke 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

    2 Kings 5:27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
     
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    Racial Skin Color


    ......all humans on earth today are descended from Noah and his wife, his three sons and their wives, and before that from Adam and Eve (Genesis 1-11). But today we have many different groups, often called “races,” with what seem to be greatly differing features. The most obvious of these is skin color....

    What Really Happened?

    We can now reconstruct the true history of the people groups, using:

    The information given by the Creator himself in the Book of Genesis.
    The background information given above.
    Some consideration of the effect on the environment.

    The first created man, Adam, from whom all other humans are descended, was created with the best possible combination of genes—for skin color, for example. A long time after creation, a worldwide flood destroyed all humans except a man called Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives. This flood greatly changed the environment. Afterwards, God commanded the survivors to multiply and cover the earth (Genesis 9:1). A few hundred years later, people chose to disobey God and to remain united in building a great city, with the Tower of Babel as the focal point of rebellious worship.
    From Genesis 11, we understand that up to this time there was only one language. God judged the people's disobedience by imposing different languages, so that they could not work together against God. The confusion forced the people to scatter over the earth as God intended.

    So all the people groups—black Africans, Indo-Europeans, Mongolians, and others—have come into existence since Babel.

    Noah and his family were probably mid-brown, with genes for both dark and light skin, because a medium skin color would seem to be the most generally suitable (dark enough to protect against skin cancer, yet light enough to allow vitamin D production). As all the factors for skin color were present in Adam and Eve, they would most likely have been mid-brown as well, with brown eyes and brown (or black) hair. In fact, most of the world's population today is still mid-brown.

    After the flood, for the few centuries until Babel, there was only one language and one culture group. Thus, there were no barriers to marriage within this group. This would tend to keep the skin color of the population away from the extremes. Very dark and very light skin would appear, of course, but people tending in either direction would be free to marry someone lighter or darker than themselves, ensuring that the average color stayed roughly the same.

    The same would be true of characteristics other than skin color. Under these sorts of circumstances, distinct differences in appearance will never emerge. To obtain such separate lines, you would need to break a large breeding group into smaller groups and keep them separate, that is, prevent interbreeding between groups. This would be true for animal as well as human populations, as every biologist knows.

    The Effects of Babel

    This is exactly what happened at Babel. Once separate languages were imposed, there were instantaneous barriers. Not only would people tend not to marry someone they couldn't understand, but entire groups which spoke the same language would have difficulty relating to and trusting those which did not. Thus, they would move away or be forced away from each other, into different environments. This, of course, is what God intended. (Is there archaeological evidence of the Tower of Babel? Answer / Is there any reference in early Mesopotamian literature to what happened at the Tower of Babel? Answer / Read the story of the Tower of Babel - Go…)

    It is unlikely that each small group would carry the same broad range of skin colors as the original, larger group. One group might have more dark genes, on average, while another might have more light genes. The same thing would occur with other characteristics: nose shape, eye shape, etc. And since they would intermarry only within their own language group, these differences would no longer be averaged out as before.

    As these groups migrated away from Babel, they encountered new and different climate zones. This would also have affected the balance of inherited factors in the population. However, the effects of the environment are nowhere near as important as the initial genetic mix of each group....


    ...Thus, we conclude that the dispersion at Babel broke up a large interbreeding group into small, interbreeding groups. This ensured that the resultant groups would have different mixes of genes for various physical features. By itself, this dispersion would ensure, in a short time, that there would be certain fixed differences in some of these groups, commonly called “races.” In addition, the selection pressure of the environment would modify the existing combinations of genes so that the physical characteristics of each group would tend to suit their environment.

    There has been no simple-to-complex evolution of any genes, for the genes were present already. The dominant features of the various people groups result from different combinations of previously existing created genes, plus some minor degenerative changes, resulting from mutation (accidental changes which can be inherited). The originally created (genetic) information has been either reshuffled or has degenerated, but has not been added to.


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    Good stuff sister cherryblossom, however, the fallacy in the argument relies on misinterpreting chapter 11. Only language was changed in the verse(s) cited, not anatomy, which makes all else in the position taken by christian answers, conjecture. It is taking and stretching the word, as in this case, which causes the existing confusion of color in the Bible, in my opinion.

     
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    11/22/10
    Race and Skin Tones: Are They In The Bible?

    Author: Roger Barrier

    ...The table of nations is listed for us in Genesis 10. By the way, this listing of nations (read races) occurs before the Tower of Babel story of the scattering of the races as related in Genesis 11. The order here is of little significance. The list is given and then the next chapters details how the migrations began. In the listing we see that the descendants of Noah’s three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, migrated to different parts of the world after the subsiding of the Flood.

    We know from the countries mentioned that Shem fathered the Semitic peoples who are considered Jewish or Arabic. His descendants settled throughout the Mideast and southern Asia.

    Japheth fathered the Japhethite peoples who moved northward into Turkey and Russia and then migrated into Europe and across much of Asia. Today, most of these people are identified as white-skinned Caucasian or browned skinned Asians and Mongolians or more yellow-skinned Chinese.

    Ham fathered the Hamitic peoples. His descendants settled from Canaan southward into Egypt and Africa.

    A curious belief has arisen among some people about the origin of black-skin coloring. In Genesis 9:20-25 Ham is cursed by his father Noah for his dishonoring Noah in a situation regarding one of Noah’s drunken stupors. Some think Ham and his descendants were cursed with black skin.

    Some of Ham’s descendants, Cush and Put, for example, settled in Africa in the present-day countries of Ethiopia and Libya. These misguided people conclude that Cush and Put spread their black skin throughout Africa. Therefore, they conclude that black Africans are a cursed race and thus inferior to white races. The fact that Ham had many other sons who did not settle in Africa is ignored by them....

    ...cont....http://www.preachitteachit.org/arti...le/race-and-skin-tones-are-they-in-the-bible/
     
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    Color matters, but not to the point where it would have you denying truth. We should focus on what we cannot yet see with the carnal eyes, than on everything we can.

    So long as one has faith in the Holy Son, the Anointed Savior for His sacrifice for the sins of mankind, and has belief in His resurrection back from the dead unto eternal life, then it will not matter what tribe one comes from nor what color their skin is, but they have life and are brother and sister to the Faithful Lamb, as He has taught us. They are a son and daughter of the Father, for they have faith in the Father when they have faith in the Son, also. Blessings!:)
     
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