Brother AACOOLDRE : The Lost Tomb of Jesus

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  1. AACOOLDRE

    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS
    By Andre Austin

    For three hours I observed and listened to The Discovery Channel documentary on the alleged tomb of Jesus and his family. If the evidence isn’t a hoax and comes out authentic it could change many orthodox teachings that have been feed to the followers of Christianity.

    In the New testament we find brothers of Jesus named Jose, James, Judah and a Simon. Some of these individuals Ossuaries are found. The problem arises out of interpretation and meaning of words and language. We know non related Christians refer to each other as brothers and sisters but in the book of Mark 6:3-4 it appears and seems the context of Jesus brothers is about kin.“behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of god, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother”(Mark 3:31-35) Also Brother/Sister could be used as a religious bond. The context of Jesus family tomb is his family tomb and we can reasonably assume their close family members are together with each other in their graves.

    If the archaeological evidence coming from the tomb in Jerusalem is true then it may conflict with several doctrines coming down from past religious leaders being outlined as:

    1. Resurrection of Jesus physical body into the jurisdiction of heaven vs. his spiritual body being in the kingdom of the air/spirit. What does it mean that flesh and blood can’t enter the gates of heaven and Jesus explicitly saying a spirit has no flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)?. Earth is for the body going to dust and heaven for the spirit. The Koran and the Gnostic following each other in error saw the crucifixion of Christ as a substitute replacement. Now if Jesus body went up to heaven and he came back to talk to Paul only saw a ray of light (Acts 9:3) and Paul says he didn’t confer with flesh and blood with Jesus (Gal 1:16). Even after he died his shadow could go through doors without being open making him separated from his body and spirit. And Paul prefers to be away from the body and with god (2 Cor 5:8). Paul talks about the material body and spiritual body as different with the spiritual body going to heaven (1Cor 15:35-54).Paul didn’t think his body would go to heaven and wanted it burned (1 Cor 13:3).We take on white light/robes as angels not being able to marry absent the flesh (Luke 20:36; John 20:12;Rev 7:13).

    2. The Virginity dilemma. Not all Christians believed Mary lived a life as a Nun. The Gospel of Philip reports: “Some said, Mary conceived by the holy spirit, they are in error”. Isaiah might be the source of the problem where the word “young woman” or “virgin” could be used for Mary conceiving Immanuel. The virgin birth and the Trinity doctrine may perhaps be in jeopardy as Christianity self-inflicted wound being influenced by ancient pagan Egypt’s Black Madonna of the Trinity of Isis, Horus and Osiris. The Council of Trullo in 692 declared Mary a eternal virgin/Nun hopefully DNA test of these Ossuaries will have the chance of proving blood relationships. The apostle Paul says that Jesus "was born of the seed of David" (Romans 1:3). Here the word "seed" is literally in the Greek "sperma.". Therefore Jesus had the male and female chromosomes that makes a human being “according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3). Tradition claims that St Luke personally knew Mary and made images of her as black and travelers inside Europe will find her black. It was in Rome that infection and confusion of the ancient Isis with Mary and made her a perpetual virgin contrary to scripture. Josephus had sex with Mary after she gave birth “And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son and called his name Jesus” (Matthew 1:25). The word knew is synonymous with sexual knowledge; and if Mary didn’t have other children why refer to Jesus has her firstborn having the inference that others would come.

    3. St Peter is depicted as a Jet-Blackman by Christians in their art. Peter’s Ossuary is in the tomb of Jesus countering Rome’s assertion he was killed as an upside down pillar and buried in Rome. But all the available evidence has Peter with Paul in Jerusalem for three conference meetings. So when the fathers of the Church of Rome wanted to establish a hierarchical ecclesiastical system under their authority they were encouraged by the political power of Rome to downgrade Egypt and Israel. In their need for a justification of their authority, the Roman fathers claimed that Peter was given keys and power to give before dying in Rome. Peter was not martyred in Rome. Just think of an integrated tomb with Jesus. And just think of the incredible story the Catholics gave fuel to Peter escaping the gates of Rome then returning after hearing a vision of Jesus saying he was going to Rome to be crucified. First of all Peter knew the protocol of Christianity taking up your own cross for deeds not self to be crucified. I don’t think Peter committed the sin of suicide.

    4. Church doctrines against woman priests is in conflict with Mary Magdalene Ossuary calling her a master/teacher. I see nothing wrong with female priests. The antagonism is just cultural restrictions not religious codifications. I believe Mary Magdalene was slandered as a prostitute for the sacrifice of unnecessary church dogmas. It seems to me that Christians men/women should be equal (1 Corinthians 14:26).

    5. Restrictions on Marriage may have lead to the idea of making Jesus a Bachelor. Priests weren’t allowed to get married because Rome wanted control of real estate property not being passed on to wives or to priests sons.

    6. Jesus said no one is good except God. This proves Jesus wasn’t God but god’s agent and chief spokesman.

    Some people say that Jesus was poor and couldn’t afford this tomb. Christians were called The Poor as a name which is evident “blessed are the poor (Christians) in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” Matthew 5:3. I see some of Jesus’ disciples who were rich bankrolling his burial Mausoleum. Doubters also say that Jesus would have been buried in Nazareth not Jerusalem. Evidence says that Nazareth was a religious sect and not a proven city until hundreds of years after Jesus death. Furthermore, why bury a body in an expected location making it venerable to desecration and destruction?
     
  2. Faithful Truth

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    Who we are; will change the world

    Lately, I have been more drawn to discover the origin of my people. As a starting point, I completed an Ethics course that really exposed to me the world and society’s influence on thought and perception. In our world, we teach a Psuedo-scholarship. A form of scholarship that does not follow the basic rules of scholarship. For example, we do not learn for understanding so that we can make changes; we learn for knowledge so that we can duplicate. Nevertheless, I was also looking for some direction, and at the end of the semester I purchased a Bible. I read the first six books, but put it to the side as my next semester started. I wanted to be really focused in school. I enrolled in an African American history course. The first two chapters of my text book discussed the two kingdoms of Africa and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Surprisingly, my reading of the Bible and the situations and circumstances of the Africans seemed to have a reflection of each other. Finally, I gave in and started to read my Bible again from the beginning. I now had increased knowledge of world.
    Wholeheartedly, I knew after reading the first five books of Moses the second time; that it was possible that Africans are Israelites. In my heart, there were no questions. I continued to read the Bible and noticed “King” David fled Israel when King Saul wanted his life. Also, the kingdom of Judah was born and Jerusalem established in the land where “King David” fled. This is where King David built the “City of David”. King David and his son King Solomon never lived among the Israelite nation as rulers. Although, some Israelites followed and dwelt among them. After King Solomon’s death the new kingdom Judah and the Israelite nation parted ways, because of the slavery under the thrown. This is when Babylon comes in and conquers the kingdom of Judah. The Israelites that rebelled against King David’s thrown are known throughout the world as “The Worst Of The Unbelievers” especially in the Middle East and Holy Lands. These Israelites have supposedly been punished and extinguished.
    I continued to read and realized that the Bible is truly the book of wisdom and understanding. The Bible has taught me the origin of the world, nations, the Black nation, religions, beliefs, world concepts, and ways of thinking. Most importantly it told me who I am, what God wants from me and the desired condition of my heart. During my third reading of the Bible in less than five months, God gave me proof. I was just finishing the eight minor prophets, from Hosea to Malachi. I began thinking about Israelites selling Israelites into slavery and all Israelites being punished. Also, the fact that Israelites had been slaves in every World Superpower. I realized that I had just read the eight minor prophets prophecy the destruction of Africa and the Atlantic Slave Trade. Africa is Israel and the southern kingdom of Israel and Judah. Present day Israel, which was established in 1943 by the United States, is the kingdom of Judah and the northern kingdom of Israel and Judah. It all depended on who or what nation was translating. The Holy Lands were trampled for centuries after the prophets, and for the sake of history the world tried to recreate the scene. Therefore history has renamed the Israelites that rebelled against the throne of King David the Ku****es. Those that followed King David solely held the title of Israelites. Sadly, the kingdom of Judah intermixed and led us to confusion of face, because the world attempted to exclude the Ku****es and Ethiopians. Look at an ancient world map, present day Israel looks like mini Africa.
    The last of the eight minor prophets prophesied in Babylon and Persia, which were the last true world superpowers before Jesus birth. King Cyrus the Great freed Israelite slaves from that new kingdom of Judah. Greece conquered Persia in the 300BCs. Then, Rome followed Greece into the Holy Lands. History tells us that Middle Easterners held Blacks in slavery before Europeans. Also, Blacks had been under Muslim practices until just before the Atlantic slave trade. Nevertheless, the only nation of people to be plucked up out of their land and scattered throughout the nations from that time until now is Africans. We are Israelites and descendants of Shem. Every nation of color came from us through intermixing slave masters and slaves. Abraham did father many nations. Middle Easterners know that they come from black people and trace their heritage back to Ismail, Abraham’s son and Isaac’s brother. We are the only nation to ever go into slavery 400yrs; to suffer bondage and affliction from 1460’s to 1860’s. History tells us that it took our forefathers 40 years to build the Pyramids before suddenly the slaves stopped working and Egypt fell. In addition, the Israelites outnumbered Egyptians and dwelled closer to Ethiopia because shepherds were not wanted among Egyptians. Our forefathers dwelt in that land 430yrs. Because it all belonged to Egypt up until that point. We have been a blessing to every nation as the labor force of every Kingdom. God said “the way you treat the least of my children is how you treat me.” Every world superpower fell and we came out of them, yet we have never gone back to God. We are the only nation to witness him when he brought us out of Egypt, and that is the reason for our obviously deeper conviction to God than any other people. Attached to this introduction to new understanding, is the reality of the prophecies of the eight minor prophets. Taken from the first two chapters of “African American Odyssey” Third Edition, by Darlene Hine, William Hine, and Stanley Harold.
    In conclusion, God is not a man nor should he lie. The secret things belong to us and our children. We are the most peculiar people on the planet because we have a different heart. God is in our heart. In a world that is upside down and evil rules the world; God’s people are powerless and at the bottom. We know only what the world has taught us. We are the only nation of people who can’t stand and defend ourselves. Africa or Israel is run by Europeans. The present state of Israel was established by the United States in 1943. The Bible has not been analyzed from scratch by a good heart, a good root. The Bible has been used to gain power and to oppress. Yet it teaches us to be just, humble, meek, and to show mercy at all times. A good root can only bring good fruit and a bad root can only bring bad fruit. The righteous man who is last must now come to the front. The world concluded the Old Testament with Jesus birth, but minor prophecies and the tribulations had not yet been placed on Israelites. More importantly in Ezekiel 35: 11, God said he would make himself known to Israel after he has judged them. After reading the attached chapters, read the prophecies of the eight minor prophets. Read it for the story that is told, not to study and break down phrases. Read it like a book and see what it says about you. Read it for the story behind the teachings and get the whole truth. Remember, if you want to keep something from a Black man; put it in a Book. The definition of Bible is Book. Keep in mind that the older Bibles have been tampered with the least. The world continues to change the wording, so that the story continues to get more vague. Black people come from Africa and that is where Israelites originated.





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    1 Sam Ch. 27 “King” David fled Israel or Africa from King Saul into Philistines.

    2 Sam Ch. 5:6 King David established kingdom in Jerusalem and built “City of David”

    2 Sam Ch. 6 King David and his Israelite support take ark of covenant from Israel among Israelites to the City of David.

    2 Chron Ch.11 Israel (Africa) rebelled against kingdom of Judah and God held Judah back from attacking Israelites (Ku****es)

    2 Chron Ch. 13 Israel (Africa) fought Judah and lost some cities, but the survived.

    2 Chron Ch. 17 Judah and Israel are allies

    2 Chron Ch. 34:5 Judah and cities under Judah’s control in Israel (Africa)

    2 Chron Ch. 36:5 Kingdom of Judah conquered by Babylon

    Hosea 10:10 When Israelites bind themselves up into two furrows (Benin, Dahomey) God will gather all nations against them.
     
  3. AACOOLDRE

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    very good post. You might consider (if you already have) reading Gary Greenberg works. He links up the Old testament with the people of Africa. For example many of the bible characters are matched up with Egyptian dynasties. Consider this:

    THE TWELFTH EGYPTIAN DYNASTY IN GENESIS

    Twelfth Dynasty Durations Genesis Durations
    Amenemhe I 30 years Peleg 30 years
    Senworse I 32 years Reu 32 years
    Amenemhe II 30 years Serug 30 years

    The first three Genesis births after Eber belong to Peleg, Reu, and Serug. The following chart shows the birth date for each and the number of years until the next birth, in sequence. Compare these three durations with the lengths of reign for the first three kings in the 12th Dynasty. Amenemhe I, the first king, ruled for thirty years. His successor, SenworseI, shared a ten-year co regency and then ruled independently for 32 years, at which point the began a co regency with his successor. The third king, Amenemhe II, ruled for a total of 35 years,30 of which were as an independent ruler.


    Peleg, a name meaning Division, broken up or watercourse. If Genesis dates describe dynastic and monarchical divisions then Peleg death marks the beginning of separate concurrent dynastic split with Peleg calls to mind an unusual Genesis passage about Peleg: “in his days was the earth divided”. from the Egyptian point of view, the division of the world signified a split between the Hyksos and Theban kingdoms.We should define the deaths of Peleg and Nahor with the split between Thebes and the Hyksos.

    These three precise correlations (and others), between Genesis birth dates and Egypt’s Twelfth Dynasty lengths of reign presents striking evidence connecting two chronologies. It seems unlikely that such a set of coincidences can be explained by random chance, especially when you add the fact that the previous birth in the sequence-Eber’s- corresponds to the date of Egypt’s second unification. This is a perfect alignment. Such a coincidence can not be dismissed as a random chance. The probability of such a set of correlations happening by accident is far too overwhelming.

    This clearly shows that this portion of Genesis chronology derives from Egyptian dynastic history, and that the Genesis author worked from reasonably accurate Egyptian records in putting this history together. My next point is to advance the theory that the first Jews were Egyptian either culturally or racially or both. If they weren’t Egyptian then why chart their birth and death of many figures of the Bible directly with Egyptian Dynasties?

    Ishmael and the Hyksos

    Ishmael is linked with the Egyptian God Set and the Hyksos dynasty at 1727BC. Ishmael birth is set at 1727 BC the same as the founding of the city of Avaris by the Hyksos. The Egyptian didn’t like the god set so their enemies embraced Set as their God of the Hyksos. An Egyptian Sethos was named after Set and came to honor the four hundred year of Set at avaris in 1330 BC taking us back to its founding around 1727 BC the same birth year as Ishmael. How does Ishmael represent Set? The Bible said he would be a wild *** of a man and his hand we be against every man. Ishmael wild *** corresponds to Set’s donkeys image, and his depiction as a threat against all others. Ishmael and Set also ruled over the same territory-the wilderness of Shur. Ishmael’s date of birth coincides with what may have been the founding date of Avaris , the city the Hyksos dedicated to Set. Arabs claim descent from the linage of Ishmael. This is another coincidence. The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus scanning through the works of Mantheo did say “Some say they were Arabians. This people who were thus dominated Shepherd Kings, and their descendants retained possession of Egypt”. It appears a link with Ishmael, Set & Hyksos

    See The 101 myths of the bible and
    The Moses mystery: The African origins of the jewish people by Gary Greenberg

    In June he has a new book The Judas Brief.
     
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    Quote:
    "The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus scanning through the works of Manetho did say "Some say they were Arabians. This people wo were thus dominated Shepherd Kings, and their descendants retained posession of Egypt".

    And just how reliable is this statement and/or the findings of Flavius Josephus. Why do Black people keep referring to this "Jewish historian" who has painted a picture of Africans being dominated by "outsiders"?

    For one, the so-called "Hyksos" did not "dominate" the entire extent of Kemet. For sure they had no domination over the southen extant of Ta Shemau, only a section of Ta Mehu (lower Egypt).

    Secondly, Flavius links the "Hyksos" with Set.

    However, Set was worshipped in the SOUTH.

    In fact, the "Hyksos" are not even listed as one of the groups known as the "Nine Bows.
    http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/people/foreigners.htm

    Neither are so-called "Israelites".
     
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