Black People : The King Alfred plan

[Omowale Jabali]

We have a Board of Advisors who are working on the published goals. We are still a couple of weeks from Launch day.....many more details will be coming out and the website is still under construction. Based on our timeline, many things will not come out until after launch day.

Please be patient with me, but I need an explanation to understand how is it trap to tell people that they don't have to shoot and kill one another? That they are wrong for shooting each other and that "I am my brothers keeper" ...and as such, I will not sit still and allow my brothers to kill my brothers. I want this murdering STOPPED!!! In Afganisthan & Iraq over the combined 5 year period their have been a TOTAL of 4,646 American service men killed in both combat AND in battle field accidents. WE KILL 6300 OF OUR OWN, EACH AND EVERY YEAR!!!

Please tell me HOW is it a TRAP to bring these sobering statistics to our people attention and SCREAM about it. Tell me HOW is it a TRAP to demand that these self inflicted blows will not be tolerated....How is it a trap to build a coalition of brothers and sisters who are fed up with seeing our men so readily pull the trigger on another brother???

Yes, it is a lofty goal to change a culture that turns a blind eye to murder if it is an internal hit, but goes into out rage when someone else does it....On average roughly 6600 black males are murdered each year...roughly 6300 of them are murdered by other black males. The other 300 are murded by whites, hispanics, and others.

What is wrong with widely publicizing the message that each time a black man pulls the trigger on another black man he is placing a stake in the heart of the black community....he is not just killing "Joe Blow" about the $50 bucks he owed him, he is slowly killing himself. What is wrong about publicizing that??


As far as the "white preacher" is concerned, I am not in the habit of rejecting all things white. Do you reject using a computer because Bill Gates is white??? Do you reject using electricity because Thomas Edison and Benjamin Franklin were white??? Do you reject driving a car because Henry Ford was white??? Have you listened to the message?? It is rock solid truth. I will not reject the truth because the messenger is white. Furthermore, I have no problem whatsoever give the man credit who delivered it. (NO, I am not saying that a black man couldn't have delivered the same message, but we found this one to be EXTREMELY relevant concerning our cause ) I have no problem taking a paycheck from a white man so why should I have a problem taking the truth from him???

There is one other white man on there as well. This is Samuel C. Armstrong. He was the educator who taught Booker T. Washington. Booker T. Washington loved the man. He took what he learned and went on to build Tuskeegee University and shared that education with thousands of other brothers. If it were not for white abolishonist, we would still be slaves...it had gone on for 300 year...do you think we would have gotten out of our own accord "as a collective" (No, I am not suggesting that all of the abolishonist had the best of intentions, but I do give credit for the help in getting us out of slavery)

So, I have absolutely NO problem taking good ideas or lessons from whites. And if I find a good idea or lesson, I don't sit there and say....."well, it is a good idea, but I am going to wait for a black man to develop it before I us it" I don't need to hide where an idea comes from. You are only able to see that site because of technology developed largely by white people.

The thing is, we are fully capable of developing such things, but too many of us are CHOOSING to opt out of academic excellence.

As far as my salaquirement is concerned i made over $41 an hour as a public school teacher and need to net at least $2800 a month until I pay off an IRS tax audit.

As I stated before i do not desire to involve myself in circular arguments so I did not say that what you propose is a trap but the trap itself is getting black people to believe in a system that is not designed to serve in the best interests of the masses but a select few.

In my lifetime I has worked to end some of what you speak of not only by exercising personal responsibility but also through teaching, mentoring, gang intervention, counseling, community service, etc.

You can continue to take the words of white people as the gospel if you so choose. that is your right. i know there are some good white people. i have a very good chiropracter whose entire staff is white and hispanic and they take good care of me. and they are anointed church-going people. but i recognize they are few and far between.

interesting that you would seek to explain to me anything about booker t. washington. my great-grandparents were founders of boley, oklahoma and associates of dr. washington. and what he taught was independence from white people. and my folks who moved from alabama went to indian territory to do just that. go their own way WITHOUT the presence or advice or economic dependence of white people.

same with my folks who later moved to tulsa and helped found black wallstreet.

i dont know why you keep spitting at me statistics concerning black on black crime as if my growing up in watts, compton and south central los angeles was in a vacuum. i have lived on streets where young black men were killed off or locked down daily. i know this is a problem. but i also know that, as i said before, too many people play lip service to working towards solutions but rearely get down and dirty so to say and actually work for solutions. i know this cuz of where im from and where i've been.

and i dont SEE condi rice, clarence thomas, white pastors or the naacp SOLVING these kinds of problems.

at least not where i'm from.

that is all...

 

[Omowale Jabali]

It translates to IDEALISM to me as well.
IDEALISM - the cherishing or pursuit of high or noble principles, purposes, goals, etc.

I pray that your goals or Idealistic as well.



Really??? What forces are working to keep 6300 black men being killed by black men? SERIOUSLY, what forces make the individual JOE BLOW point a gun and squeeze the trigger. PLEEEEEEASE EXPLAIN this to me. Why do JOE BLOW do it, and YOU don't? WHAT has oppressed that young man to the point where he think "that is just how it is"?

I appreciate you being a pragmatic person, so I look forward to exploring this subject in a methodical manner. If this is not the correct thread for this, I will be happy to take it to another.

As a Black MAN with 29 years in public school teaching, as I said before, I SEE the "plan" at work...

I have an aunt who has been an educator for roughly 35 years. I have discussed this at length with her an a number of occassions. She has been a teacher, principle, & a school administrator. She is in a county that about 75% of the residents, students, and facaulty are black. YET, even in this setting, the white students outperform the black students by the typical 40%. What "Plan" could be at work in this situation??? 75% of the teachers are black. I know my aunt is passionate about teaching, she gets a THRILL when students respond to here classes. BUT, today, our students do not want to learn, they are disrespectful to teachers...even black teacher. So, please explain to me where does the "white man holding me down" excuse come into play in this setting???? Help me understand this?




Our movement has not launched yet....so there are no programs that WE have that are currently changing this reality.

On our Board of Advisors, is a very talented young lady who is spear heading this effort to close the academic performance gap. While I say young, her credentials are impeccable. She holds a Ph.D. and currently works in drop out prevention in all 50 states. So she has extensive experience with "at risk" children.

Geoffery Canada with the Harlem Childrens Zone http://www.hcz.org has had a great success on a local level. Our plan involves much of what he has done. We are also going to run several campaigns to honor black academic excellence and show students their value to the black community when the seek academic excellence. Just as we have a section on the page called "Honoring Black Families" we are placing a section on the site called "Honoring Academic Excellence" where we display and highlight various students at all levels who not only perform well, but those students who make improvements from prior performance. So the student who improves from a D to a B will be honored as well. TAKING THIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL, we are providing monetary awards for this achievement....we want these students to truely understand the great value we are placing on them and the great benefit they are to their race when they perform well as students. We believe that the combination of a monetary reward and recognition for even small improvements, and letting our students know just how much they are benefitting our people by caring about academic success will work towards closing the gap...Ultimately, we want to surpass the white performance.

We are also developing partnerships for business development

Again, ot going to keep going round in circles with you focusing on the same questions...your statement here says enough..

"Our movement has not launched yet...so there are no programs that WE have that are currently changing this reality."

As far as your AUNT is concerning, again you totally miss the point...

The "system" is overrepresented with female educators and underrepresented with black male educators.

Why is it difficult for you and others to SEE a direct correlation with poor academic performance and the lack of POSITIVE Black MALE role models??!!

 

[Prizmm]

We have a Board of Advisors who are working on the published goals. We are still a couple of weeks from Launch day.....many more details will be coming out and the website is still under construction. Based on our timeline, many things will not come out until after launch day.

Please be patient with me, but I need an explanation to understand how is it trap to tell people that they don't have to shoot and kill one another? That they are wrong for shooting each other and that "I am my brothers keeper" ...and as such, I will not sit still and allow my brothers to kill my brothers. I want this murdering STOPPED!!! In Afganisthan & Iraq over the combined 5 year period their have been a TOTAL of 4,646 American service men killed in both combat AND in battle field accidents. WE KILL 6300 OF OUR OWN, EACH AND EVERY YEAR!!!

Please tell me HOW is it a TRAP to bring these sobering statistics to our people attention and SCREAM about it. Tell me HOW is it a TRAP to demand that these self inflicted blows will not be tolerated....How is it a trap to build a coalition of brothers and sisters who are fed up with seeing our men so readily pull the trigger on another brother???

Yes, it is a lofty goal to change a culture that turns a blind eye to murder if it is an internal hit, but goes into out rage when someone else does it....On average roughly 6600 black males are murdered each year...roughly 6300 of them are murdered by other black males. The other 300 are murded by whites, hispanics, and others.

What is wrong with widely publicizing the message that each time a black man pulls the trigger on another black man he is placing a stake in the heart of the black community....he is not just killing "Joe Blow" about the $50 bucks he owed him, he is slowly killing himself. What is wrong about publicizing that??


As far as the "white preacher" is concerned, I am not in the habit of rejecting all things white. Do you reject using a computer because Bill Gates is white??? Do you reject using electricity because Thomas Edison and Benjamin Franklin were white??? Do you reject driving a car because Henry Ford was white??? Have you listened to the message?? It is rock solid truth. I will not reject the truth because the messenger is white. Furthermore, I have no problem whatsoever give the man credit who delivered it. (NO, I am not saying that a black man couldn't have delivered the same message, but we found this one to be EXTREMELY relevant concerning our cause ) I have no problem taking a paycheck from a white man so why should I have a problem taking the truth from him???

There is one other white man on there as well. This is Samuel C. Armstrong. He was the educator who taught Booker T. Washington. Booker T. Washington loved the man. He took what he learned and went on to build Tuskeegee University and shared that education with thousands of other brothers. If it were not for white abolishonist, we would still be slaves...it had gone on for 300 year...do you think we would have gotten out of our own accord "as a collective" (No, I am not suggesting that all of the abolishonist had the best of intentions, but I do give credit for the help in getting us out of slavery)

So, I have absolutely NO problem taking good ideas or lessons from whites. And if I find a good idea or lesson, I don't sit there and say....."well, it is a good idea, but I am going to wait for a black man to develop it before I us it" I don't need to hide where an idea comes from. You are only able to see that site because of technology developed largely by white people.

The thing is, we are fully capable of developing such things, but too many of us are CHOOSING to opt out of academic excellence.

I find your line of reasoning curious...if I may take that approach...under a system of racism/white supremacy the compensatory actions one takes to survive are not meant to be regarded as 'successes' rather they are an indication of disjointed often non-codfied expressions that allow them to stave off the inevitable, a little longer, it is a stolen breath to someone fighting to breathe. History has shown those who choose to observe objectively, that black genius has not acted to protect us, that for every Vessey, or Prosser, Turner, Banneker, Woodson and so on, there are legions of Clarence Thomas's. I won't here argue against the means he uses to compensate for what he is missing, (and I detest him for this), but I can reflect on his strategy, and the overwhelming damage it has done to massive numbers of victims of racism, keeping in mind that he is the latest in a long line of compensatory traitors. To seek only to punish and never to nurture or to affect the unbalanced racist system from his perch, is unforgivable.

Our oppression is not a result of lack of effort, yes the centuries long denial of proper competitive educational opportunities has never been addressed, and is readily dismissed, while the miseducation that directly supported black submission is being argued as the last best chance, by those who blame the victims for the suffering they are subjected to at the hands of the most evil entity in the universe; the white supremacist! How do you affect the behavior of victims of oppression by teaching or asking them to behave better. The Black Man and Womans position is not the result of innate incapability, lack of intelligence, immorality, or necessarily our often poor interaction with each other, rather these shortcomings are the result of
racist controlling all of the major areas of activity, and in a deviously maniacal manipulation creating conditions that result in such tragic statistics as 6300 dead in a year. Although I am not entirely trusting of statistics that suggest blacks ar committing crimes against one another at anywhere near the level suggested, I mean think about it if a blackman dies on any street in any city, in any state "everyone" will assume another black man killed him, I on the other hand see room for trickery and I don't trust that black men are necessarily doing all this. There is obvious cause for suspicion. I don't put it past the racist to do the deed and place the blame on a another blackman. Who is going to challenge them? It is generally accepted that black on black crime is running rampant, what greater chance for deception exists than a condition such as this? We actually buy the statistics possibly allowing the actual perpetrators to "get away with it", while we're looking in the wrong direction. I find it difficult to dismiss this possibility....so your suggestion that there is greater acceptance just around the bend, if we first dance this jig, and jump through these hoops misses the point.

The fault to some extent lies with not seeing the "universal" picture. If victims of racism were going to be afforded better treatment because we were willing to adopt the false teachings of the white supremacist whereever they are; the condition of blacks in amerika in particular, and non-whites in the global communities would reflect that trend. Contrarily, our suffering continues and appears to be increasing not diminishing, we need to come together to strategize before its too late.

 

[Omowale Jabali]

I find your line of reasoning curious...if I may take that approach...under a system of racism/white supremacy the compensatory actions one takes to survive are not meant to be regarded as 'successes' rather they are an indication of disjointed often non-codfied expressions that allow them to stave off the inevitable, a little longer, it is a stolen breath to someone fighting to breathe. History has shown those who choose to observe objectively, that black genius has not acted to protect us, that for every Vessey, or Prosser, Turner, Banneker, Woodson and so on, there are legions of Clarence Thomas's. I won't here argue against the means he uses to compensate for what he is missing, (and I detest him for this), but I can reflect on his strategy, and the overwhelming damage it has done to massive numbers of victims of racism, keeping in mind that he is the latest in a long line of compensatory traitors. To seek only to punish and never to nurture or to affect the unbalanced racist system from his perch, is unforgivable.

Our oppression is not a result of lack of effort, yes the centuries long denial of proper competitive educational opportunities has never been addressed, and is readily dismissed, while the miseducation that directly supported black submission is being argued as the last best chance, by those who blame the victims for the suffering they are subjected to at the hands of the most evil entity in the universe; the white supremacist! How do you affect the behavior of victims of oppression by teaching or asking them to behave better. The Black Man and Womans position is not the result of innate incapability, lack of intelligence, immorality, or necessarily our often poor interaction with each other, rather these shortcomings are the result of
racist controlling all of the major areas of activity, and in a deviously maniacal manipulation creating conditions that result in such tragic statistics as 6300 dead in a year. Although I am not entirely trusting of statistics that suggest blacks ar committing crimes against one another at anywhere near the level suggested, I mean think about it if a blackman dies on any street in any city, in any state "everyone" will assume another black man killed him, I on the other hand see room for trickery and I don't trust that black men are necessarily doing all this. There is obvious cause for suspicion. I don't put it past the racist to do the deed and place the blame on a another blackman. Who is going to challenge them? It is generally accepted that black on black crime is running rampant, what greater chance for deception exists than a condition such as this? We actually buy the statistics possibly allowing the actual perpetrators to "get away with it", while we're looking in the wrong direction. I find it difficult to dismiss this possibility....so your suggestion that there is greater acceptance just around the bend, if we first dance this jig, and jump through these hoops misses the point.

The fault to some extent lies with not seeing the "universal" picture. If victims of racism were going to be afforded better treatment because we were willing to adopt the false teachings of the white supremacist whereever they are; the condition of blacks in amerika in particular, and non-whites in the global communities would reflect that trend. Contrarily, our suffering continues and appears to be increasing not diminishing, we need to come together to strategize before its too late.

This is another example where I agree with the sentiment but have a singular problem.

This continued "victim" mentality.

What I find in my own experience is not so much being victimized by what white people are doing to us but what we FAIL to do in response or out of our own volition.

This is to say we talk too much about our conditions but do not ACTIVELY work towards or seek remediation. We do not carefully examine our own internal weakness and contradictions then work towards solutions or methodical means to correct our own.

This is why this argument remains circular and leading us to perpetually going round in cirlces.To a degree you are correct considerating the manner in which white supremacist values and ideology are "adopted". However, this speaks nothing to our own rejection of revolutionary black nationalist ideology and praxis.

Thus, we remain ideologically unbalanced.

 

[excel10k]

so your suggestion that there is greater acceptance just around the bend, if we first dance this jig, and jump through these hoops misses the point.

The fault to some extent lies with not seeing the "universal" picture. If victims of racism were going to be afforded better treatment because we were willing to adopt the false teachings of the white supremacist whereever they are; the condition of blacks in amerika in particular, and non-whites in the global communities would reflect that trend. Contrarily, our suffering continues and appears to be increasing not diminishing, we need to come together to strategize before its too late. [/B]

You must be spewing some canned response you shot to anyone who dissagrees with you. When have I EVER said ANYTHING about GREATER ACCEPTANCE??? I don't care about greater acceptance. I care about being a strong, self-sufficient people who are not destroying ourselves or self-limiting ourselves. I could care less about greater acceptance.

If you are a strong self-sufficient person, you don't need "better treatment" "AFFORDED" to you. That is like they are doing me a favor. No white person is doing me a favor by "affording" me better treatment.

As a strong self-sufficient person, I am in the drivers seat...I have the ability to walk away when it is not a mutually beneficial situation. This is what I want for all of our people....that they have no need of white people but can choose to interact with them when it is mutually beneficial...If white treat them unfairly in a job, it is fine because their are several black firms that would be happy to have him.

When I left my last job, I emailed my boss and told him I was "CONSIDERING" a move to a different state and that if so, I would be giving him a two weeks notice. I then went to the other company to interview and was made an offer. I told them that I was not prepared to make a decision just yet and that I would be getting back with them within a week. I told him that my decision would be based upon rather I wanted to move my family or not.


Upon return, my boss had offered me a significant raise. I responded that while I appreciated the gesture, it was not the money that would be the basis of my decision. I did tell the other company that my current company had offered me more money to stay. Long story short, this turned into a bidding war that ended in me accepting a bid 15k more than the initial offer...which had already been a slight raise from my previous position.

This is the position I want for all of our people. I don't care about greater acceptance, I care about our people being so strong that they have OPTIONS...Just as I could have walked away from BOTH companies...our people, when strong, can walk away if they so desire....If neither company wanted me....I can start my own. Strength gives options not available to the weak. If you are sitting around making excuses, you will never be strong.