Black People : The King Alfred plan

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  1. Seneb

    Seneb Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1jgeny6sJU&feature=related

    This is the link to part 7 of this series


    Dr. Hagin mentioned that this information has been declassified and that he sourced it in the Library of Congress. I went to the Library of Congress website and searched for several terms related to the King Alfred plan and found nothing remotely related to this plan, Rex-84, or anything else.

    Did anyone else go there and did you have any luck finding that information?

    I did see, via a google search that this was a fabricated document initiated by Author John Williams to promote his 1967 book.

    This site has some information on it: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/con_camps.htm

    It is plausible that this could be an actual plan....but I am not finding very much that shows it to be a declassified fact that can be sourced in the Library of Congress.

    From what I am seeing, if this plan is real, it is based on a response to race riots which grows into a race war. I do know that most white supremacist are hoping for a race war.

    A race war would start from a discontent black population. Two questions come to mind. 1) Are we prepared to win a race war? We represent 13% of the country while whites represent 67%. Whites control the weapontry, the technology, and the $$$$$. We, on the other hand are killing ourselves at a rate of over 6000 per year (17 each and every day), we don't value education, and our families are unstable (70% out of wedlock child birthrate). Just keeping it real, we are not prepared for a race war. 2) Why are we discontent? Again, keeping it real, because we fail to take responsibility for our own problems. On one hand we are claiming that the white race is wholly responsibile for the problems mentioned above as reasons we are not ready for a race war, then on the other hand we are sitting around complianing to them about coming to fix us. Do we really think they are going to fix the weaknesses that make us ill prepared for a race war????

    If we take ownership of our own problems and realize it is up to us to fix these problems we would be a stronger, self-sufficient people and therefore less discontent. We need to fix ourselves regardless of whos fault it is that we are in this condition. No one other than ourselves have ANY incentive to fix us.

    This is what the Civil Responsibiliy Movement is all about. Fixing us. Plain and simple. It is not about casting blame or making excuses. It is about implementing results oriented SOLUTIONS to our social ills without regard for whos fault it is but with regard to whos RESPONSIBILITY it is to fix us. How long can we sustain this rate of killing ourselves??? How long can we sustain this ideology that seeking academic excellence is "acting white'???? We have a 40% academic performance gap between us and white children. One might say it is our fault while another might say it is their fault, but I say it doesn't matter either way because it is OUR responsibility to close it or it will not be closed. We are fully capable of closing it, but our culture must change to appreciate and value education.

    As long as we are distracted by fighting ambiguous enemies, we will never focus on confronting our more clear and present danger. Ourselves.

    Please join me in our effort to FIX our most destructive social ills! 21 January 2008 will mark the launch of a historically unprecedented movement to reverse our current social trends and stop our self-destructive and self-limiting behavior. Things will undoubtedly get heated, but we must stop the killing and we must rebuild our families. Our men must get their heads on straight and rise to the occassion. Making excuses and casting blame will only leave us as sitting ducks for the next "King Alfred Plan", or "Katrina" or whatever other calamity that comes our way. http://www.thedream2008.com Join us. Talk to us, let us know what you think about actually solving these things rather than just complaining about them and blaming people who have no incentive to fix us.
     
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    i read that bad boy about 2-3 years ago
     
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    It has been nearly twenty five years since I was first exposed to discussion concerning the the plan discussed in the video, even then the discussion was difficult because documentation seemed hard to come by. Still, it is just another in a very long line of examples that high light the extreme measures that have been discussed and occasionally enacted, to address the centuries long problem created by the consicous decision to maintain white supremacy, (by the racist) I agree that we must take responsibility for that which we control, but we must never lose sight of the reality, that this evil system is older than many of us who post here, it is practiced and polished, and it is resourceful. If ever evil appeared eternal white supremacy/racism fits the bill,as the brother says in the code book if you don't understand racism everything thing you think you know will only confuse you!
     
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    I see you put "BY THE RACIST" in parenthesis. What is your defintinion of racist? because I'm here to tell you that ALL white adults are white supermacist, weather you know it or not.
     
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    Help me understand a couple of things: (these are serious questions, not designed to provoke an emotional response)

    Why do you feel liberty to accuse ALL whites of something when if you are like most of us, would reject the concept of whites stereotyping us?

    If you feel this way, are you employed by white people? If so, why? Why would you subject yourself to an environment where you feel that all the whites feel they are superior to you and act upon that feeling?

    I work in a company of 2-3k people and only know for sure of one other black person. I have heard rumors of 3 or 4 more, but have not seen them. Nothing has given me the indication that ALL whites are one thing are the other.

    I can't imagine the stress I would feel if I had the idea that my co-workers all felt I was inferior to them, or that by default they were superior to me. I don't think I would hang around. Life is too short and I am too resourceful to subject myself to any situation where I would need to be anyone but myself or where I was not respected as a professional.

    Before I retired from the military, I had many opportunities to "school" or otherwise humiliate white supremacist, and I actually am entertained by their antics when I occassionally run into them....or should I say, when they present themselves as such. I don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder looking for them (that would be unnecessary stress)

    Just by virtue of my profession, I spend a considerable amount of time around whites. I even fish, hunt, go to church, etc etc. with many of them. I don't think any racial utopia is likely nor do I think racism will ever go away, but I do know first hand that all whites are not white supremacist.

    NOW, all of this being said, my passion is solving problems. As a race, we do a lot of talking about distracting issues, but not enough implementing practical solutions to tangible problems. On average 6300 black men are killed each year by other black men...that's 17 per day. 70% of our children are born out of wedlock,...the black family is crumbling before our eyes. There is a 40% performance gap between black students and white students.... these and others like it are tangible problems that need to be FIXED. What are we doing, what are our leaders doing about these important issues?? They are focusing nearly 100% of their effort on what the white man is or is not doing. What we need to realize is that we need to fix our problems regardless of and independent of what the white man does or does not do. WE OWN THESE PROBLEMS, rather we take ownership of them or not. No one has an incentive to FIX them but us. We can make excuses and cast blame all we want, but the ONLY way these problems will be RESOLVED is if we focus on the problem and the things we can control, our behavior, or character, and our culture.

    SO, it is our choice...we can complain or we can correct our course and rebuild. My passion is self-sufficiency, self-determination, and we have everything we need to accomplish that right now. http://www.thedream2008.com
     
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    They will lie up to the Last Minute!

    Hotep

    Now we are told that Dr. Ray is a lier?? Because he is warning us of the evil and wicket plans of the Beast People who do noting but lie?! In the same breath we are told that Rex #84 is no such thing? See for your self and you be the judge...Do your own research and take no ones word for anything until you do. And anyone who thinks that Mz C.R and Mr C.T are role models are from what planet?!!?

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
    http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/
    http://www.nbufront.org/html/fvwin98/genoci.html
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11627394/?GT1=7850

    Ase`
     
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    Moorfius,
    I did not accuse Dr. Hagin of lying. I said that I was unable to cross reference his statement that he had gotten this information from the Library of Congress. Furthermore, I asked if anyone else had been to the Library of congress website to look for this information. I thought that perhaps I didn't use the magic search terms to find this information. Now, that being said, have you gone to the Library of congress and seen this information there? If so, please provide a link or the appropriate search term.

    I have seen this information on the web long before watching Dr. Hagins videos. I respect what Dr. Hagin is doing. He seems to be a positive brother doing what he believes is right. I watched all seven videos intently and appreciate the obvious passion with which he delivers his message.

    What gives you the idea that I made claims that "Rex-84" does not exist? I said I could find nothing remotely associated with that search term on the Library of congress website. You seem a bit offended by the fact that I choose to verify Dr. Hagins claim that this information was in the LOC and had been declassified. My respect for Dr. Hagin doesn't obligate me to take everthing he says as gospel, nor does my cross referencing his claim through his stated source indicate a denial of his claims. No one should be offended by the light scrutiny of verification of stated claims. I have not spoken with Dr. Hagin, but I am sure he could shed some light on his LOC claim. Since I have not spoke with him, I simply asked if anyone else had gone to the site and found anything on the subject.

    Now as for Condeleeza Rice and Clarence Thomas. The Civil Responsibility Movement (set to launch 21 Jan 2008) and The Dream 2008 campaign is NOT a political movement. It is a SOCIAL movement. It is about self-sufficiency and self-determination. It is about FIXING tangible problems that present a CLEAR AND PRESENT danger to our people. Part of the strategy of The Dream 2008 campaign is to honor and uplift those things that are needful in our community and identify our true enemy. As you will notice, on the site we have a section "Honoring Black Families". We also have the section you referred to which is "Positive Role Models" In the next few days, as part of our effort to close the Academic Performance Gap between black students and white students, we will be featuring a section called "Honoring Academic Excellence" which will honor and uplift black students who excel academically. We will show these students our appreciation of their efforts and just how valuable they are to the future of our race.

    Furthermore, we will provide monetary incentives for academic excellence and even academic improvement. If a student increases from a D to a C or a B, we will provide a monetary incentive for having done that and promote that student as benefiting the progress of his race. We hope to reward many through project as it would be indicative of rewarding a lot of progress and a lot of excellence.

    Clearence Thomas and Condeleeza Rice represent academic excellence and black acheivement. I don't buy into the "all blacks must think the same or they are uncle Toms" fervor. I believe these two are living according to their personal convictions gained from their own life experiences. I don't believe they are selling themselves out for the personal gain of being next to "the man" They are living their convictions. It is incredible that we reject our best and brightest because their life experiences have given them a different world view than the masses.

    Now, I challenge you and all who may read this to look beyond the political idealogy of who we (The Civil Responsibility Movement) choose to honor as role models toward the greater cause of solving tangible social problems.

    Here is my point. What is being done on a national, comprehensive level about the 6300 (17 each and every day) black on black murders that occur each year? NOTHING, we are too busy fighting racism. What is being done about the black family falling apart with 70% of our children being born out of wedlock? NOTHING, we are too busy listening to rhetoric about evil whitey. What is being done about the HIV/AIDS epidemic that has black women accounting for 70% of all new cases among women in recent years? NOTHING, we are too busy listening to Hillary Clinton's empty talk giving us the illusion that she cares and that she is going to rescue us. What is being done within our community to close the 40% academic performance gap between white students and black students? NOTHING, we are too busy blaming the system and waiting for white people to make us learn, fat chance. It is time that we wise up, stop waiting on the Calvary, stop being distracted by ambiguous enemies and start looking at our problems from a practical persective, FOCUSED on implementing results oriented solutions.

    I appreciate you visiting our site. I would appreciate more comments on the site, our objectives and our tactics, etc. I knew that Condi, Clarence, and Colin would all be controversial figure when placing them in our "Positive Role Models" section. But, I also knew that this controvesy would give us an opportunity to discuss the need for unity on a social level even when our political ideologies might differ. So please, join us. Help us grow. Things will kick off on 21 January 2008 on the observed as Dr. Kings birthday http://www.thedream2008.com
     
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    Evil Never Gives Up

    Hotep

    It only takes a few words to say a thing...as simple as telling the truth or being sincere. What ever "you" want to think...you will...but you are in for a rude awakening...only time will tell. Avoiding "All" of the snares and obvious traps that is a waste of all of our time...if there is not enough information for the average person who is only using 14% of the brain...according to your own "Role-Model" white scientist (in the above links with documents included)...then we all will have to agree with you and go home to study...Mz C.R and Mr. C.T. on how to become better servants that don't rock the...white boat or the white house.

    Do your own research and earn your own degrees and...add that to your report.

    Ase`


    Note: Now challenge yourself to wake up.
     
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    Sir,
    I am searching for SOLUTIONS in your "few words". I am about "ACTIONABLE" solutions we can prescribe to our people that will reverse the trends over the past 40 years. I am not discounting anyones concern about King Alfred or president Bush for that matter, I am simply insisting that we get our priorities straight. What can we do about King Alfred? I find no SOLUTIONS to this question in your "Few words" nor in Dr. Hagins 7 videos. I see no ACTIONABLE solutions, no methodical plan to address the impending King Alfred Plan.

    Now, while you are focused on "avoiding "All" of the snares and obvious traps" 17 young black men will die today. If you are still focused on the same thing tomorrow, 17 more will die at the hands of other black men. This is not an ambiguous enemy, but a statistical fact that I witness a portion of it playing out in REAL LIFE each and every day. How about we come together to make fixing our tangible, clear, and present problems a priority. Once we have that under control, or at least being dealt with then we can diversify our efforts. As long as we have serious TUBU (To Us By Us) problems, we will always be ill prepared to confront an external enemy. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Mar 3:25

    Join the movement brother, we need passionate people who care about saving the lives of our own, rebuilding our families, stopping the spread of HIV/AIDS, and academic excellence among our people. We have executable plans that will work if we do not get too much INTERNAL opposition. It is not white people who will stop us from fixing ourselves, but black people. Like Harriet Tubman said "I could have freed more of my people, had they only realized they were slaves" (Paraphrased) Come on brother, join us...lets fix some things. If you would like, give me a call 662-934-2445....anyone interested in effecting change instead of spouting rhetoric is welcome to give me a call directly. Visit the website http://www.thedream2008.com If you want to discuss a difference in opinion that is constructive toward our goal, give me a call...if you only want to argue and distract us from our purpose, save your dime, I will not entertain you.
     
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