Black Spirituality Religion : The highest taste of God is inherent characteristic of God and is not by the will of

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    The highest taste of God is inherent characteristic of God and is not by the will of God.

    Miracles are easiest for God since the entire creation is His imagination only
    Veda says that the special spiritual knowledge (Prajnanam) is the identity mark of God
    Miracles are easiest for God since the entire creation is His imagination only as nothing is impossible for you in your imaginary world.


    Miracle proves not only the unimaginable nature of God but also proves the imaginary nature of world. Miracle does not give the exact address of God, since miracles are also seen in demons. Only knowledge gives the address of God. Krishna is named as God (Bhagavan) only when He was delivering Gita. To convince and change the human being, which is like the curved tail of dog, only God can do something. Hence, God alone can preach directly. His all-pervading power can enter anyone to express a miracle. Krishna preached Pravrutti to all in the court of Dhrutarashtra. But He preached Nivrutti- based-Pravrutti only to Arjuna in person. He preached Nivrutti to Gopikas through flute as secret since they were rigid in devotion. Krishna advised them strongly to go back to their houses and never encouraged them. Seeing their firm faith, He interacted with them in Nivrutti. The address of God is given by the special spiritual knowledge (Prajnanam) and not by miracles. Miracles give only knowledge about the inherent unimaginable nature of God. Except this one purpose, miracles are useless and are always harmful. They are not useful to identify God since demons also show miracles. They increase the selfishness by utilizing the super power for solutions of problems and they increase ego. Shri Baba should be taken as God in human form not by His miracles but by the guiding knowledge through His speeches. Veda says that the special spiritual knowledge (Prajnanam) is the identity mark of God.
     
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    You are responsible totally in Nivrutti and God is not at all responsible

    You are responsible totally in Nivrutti and God is not at all responsible

    Shri Baba always concentrated on establishment of Pravrutti for a peaceful living of souls with love and harmony in the society, since He interacted with the majority (masses) of the society always. He is always engaged in the construction of the basic stage of the society and if justice is not established in Pravrutti, Nivrutti also fails because it is also based on the same justice. If you slip from justice, you will loose heaven and thus heaven is not eternal. But the same risk is in Nivrutti also. If you slip from God, you will loose His service. You can attain the heaven or God by realization through knowledge and subsequent rectification in both Pravrutti and Nivrutti. God helps you in both to rectify.

    But if you say that the taste of God is million times more than heaven and hence you prefer Nivrutti, God cannot help, because God is God and heaven is heaven always. If God multiplies the taste of heaven by million times, relatively the taste of God also gets multiplied by million times. It is the inherent characteristic of God, because the infinity of God always makes the bliss infinite. Heaven is always finite and hence the bliss of heaven can never become infinite. Veda says that the bliss of God is several times greater than heaven. God cannot change His own inherent characteristic and at the maximum He can hide Himself with ignorance or Maya so that He will not come in contact with you at any time. It is you, who investigated Him and found His taste in-spite of His running away from you and terrible opposition to your efforts in reaching Him. You are responsible totally in Nivrutti and God is not at all responsible. His responsibility lies only in Pravrutti. The eternality of the fruit is also from your side only. After tasting God, your mind is not for tasting any item other than God. God did not make the fruit eternal.
     
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    Nivrutti is love to God and is His personal affair hence He donot force Nivrutti

    Nivrutti is love to God and is His personal affair hence He donot force Nivrutti

    God comes down only to establish the peace and harmony in the society and not to encourage devotees for Nivrutti, which is His personal affair. In fact, He is not interested in Nivrutti and only when few diamonds (devotees) are rigid in Nivrutti, He still discourages Nivrutti by showing no fruit for Nivrutti. After all, the final fruit for Nivrutti is only continuous service of God like a slave! If you still argue that such service is highest bliss for you and cling to it only, He grants it in unavoidable situation only. Brahmaloka is only a place of such slaves of God and no facilities exist there!

    God created heaven with all extreme luxuries for the people who follow justice in Pravrutti and closed the entire spectrum of knowledge with that only. Nivrutti is investigated and invented by devotees only and was not announced by God at anytime. God announced Himself as Father of heaven only in scriptures of all other religions. Only in India, in Hinduism, devotees due to extra intelligence, called as sages, like Sanaka, Sanandana etc., only invented Nivrutti and God became helpless in the final stage because devotees were rigid in that line in spite of His hectic opposition.

    The real bliss of the true love exist only in such path of Nivrutti. When somebody loves you and becomes rigid in his or her love to you, in-spite of your hectic opposition, such love is real and the real bliss comes to you and also to the other side also in such path only. Hence, Nivrutti is justified with such specific nature only. If you take the case of any devotee in Nivrutti, you will find either negligence or opposition of God and the rigid devotion of the devotee standing firm and finally only the acceptance of God to such love happens.

    Prahlada was rigid in his devotion and God appeared only after a long time. Radha was rigid and Krishna neglected her through out her life and she could get love of God as Goloka only after her death. Hanuman was insulted in the end for his sincere service and the fruit given to Him was not announced by Rama at any time. The fruit is that Hanuman will get the post of creator in future. After all, future is always a future! You will find a plate on the front of shops on which it is written that tomorrow only you will get the item on loan. Tomorrow always remains as tomorrow. But Hanuman is not worried at all, because He never aspired for the fruit at any time.

    Only we are worried about His future post, because we are always worried about the fruit. He is living in bliss of devotion continuously without any aspiration for fruit. This shows the real interest of devotee in God even though God discourages it.
     
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    God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society

    God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society
    If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax


    Miracles only prove the existence of unimaginable God. Anybody including the demon demonstrating the miracles is in the service of God to establish the existence of God to an atheist. Miracles exist widely with God in human form, devotees and even evil demons. Establishment of existence of original unimaginable God is the fundamental subject that needs wide publicity and hence God has spread miracles in wide range. Once the existence of God is accepted, the atheist becomes theist. This is the foundation step.

    Even Shankara spent all His life in the first step only to convert atheistic Purvamimamsakas and Buddhists. Existence of God is needed even to establish Pravrutti through creating fear for hell. If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax in a slow and steady way. Atheists promise to follow justice even without faith in God, but such promise is not having strong basis and it can be violated at any time. God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society. But there is always a possibility of violation of justice if the hell disappears from the mind. When you are provoked to do injustice, at least the concept of hell and God will control you to certain extent. At least the percentage of people committing sins will be reduced. Of course, the concept of God and hell is not bringing the percentage to Zero, but if that concept is totally absent, by one day or other the percentage will be hundred.

    For this point only, God comes down to establish His existence and there by create the fear for hell so that at least the percentage of sin and injustice comes to a minimum level, though complete eradication is impossible. God is not at all bothered to establish Himself for the sake of Nivrutti. If the society runs completely on justice, He will not mind even if all the human beings are atheists.
     
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    Shri Baba never encouraged Nivrutti

    Shri Baba never encouraged Nivrutti

    Shri Baba never encouraged Nivrutti and He always concentrated on the establishment of Pravrutti only, since He is interacting with the masses only. Majority can come up to the third step of heaven only at the maximum. Only minority can climb up to the seventh step. Shri Baba concentrated on the majority always. He was giving speeches continuously and shed sweat and blood for establishing Pravrutti for world peace, which is the basic stage even for the minority trying for Nivrutti. Today His throat is severely affected by the continuous speeches given to establish justice in this society. The entire world should be grateful to Him for the peace existing in the world today. The peace of world should have been powdered by this time if He did not come and work for it.
     
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    Though Nivrutti is eternal, God opposes it

    Though Nivrutti is eternal, God opposes it

    A few wise souls investigated the path of Nivrutti even without the interference of God. The interference of God is only up to Pravrutti and He gives lot of encouragement in it. Though Nivrutti is eternal, God opposes it, since it is the point of love of the soul to Him and not the love to other souls. Love to Him is Nivrutti and Love to other souls of family and society is Pravrutti. Of course, Nivrutti is also based on justice only, which is higher than justice involved in Pravrutti. Still, God does not show interest in Nivrutti because it is His personal issue and He is involved in it. If He supports it, even though it is justified based on logic, it looks as personal interest and hence God opposes it. He is satisfied if you love other souls and keep the balance of family and society.
     
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    Modern Arjuna & Modern Gopika

    Modern Arjuna & Modern Gopika
    Now God has to cut the bonds of souls with boyfriend or girlfriend, with unjust wealth
    Though Nivrutti is eternal, God opposes it


    Today Krishna need not ask modern Arjuna to kill his grandfather, since modern Arjuna is already ready to kill grandfather for the sake of kingdom. Today Krishna has to ask him to sacrifice kingdom for His sake. Today the modern Gopika has already sacrificed her husband for the sake of her boyfriend and Krishna has to compete not with her husband but with her boyfriend! Sages asked God to cut their strong justified bonds like bond with wife or husband, bond with hard earned wealth like butter and bond with children. These three are the strongest bonds called as Eshanas. God as Krishna attracted their minds from all these justified strongest bonds and gave salvation from these bonds, when they were born as Gopikas.

    But today, the strongest bonds were different. The husband is already sacrificed in the love of her boyfriend and the husband has already sacrificed the wife in the love of his girlfriend! The hard earned money is already sacrificed to give bribe to officials to earn unjust money by corruption. The children were already sacrificed since the parents are roaming in clubs.

    Now God has to cut the bonds of souls with boyfriend or girlfriend, with unjust wealth earned through corruption and with clubs. Replacing them with justified bonds should cut these unjust bonds. Hence, knowledge of Pravrutti is needed first. Justice is weapon by which the unjust bonds are cut for the sake of justified bonds. Then Pravrutti is established. Then the society lives with peace and happiness and heaven is the gift. But all this is not eternal and every time effort is needed to maintain the cycle of happiness and heaven.

    Hence, a few wise souls investigated the path of Nivrutti even without the interference of God.
     
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    God tries to oppose the love to Him because it is His personal issue

    God tries to oppose the love to Him because it is His personal issue
    Love of God is far more compared to the love of family
    Today, Justice cannot give a strong competition to God


    Shri Baba tried His level best to establish justice of Pravrutti and a good society with love flowing between all the souls of the world. He never projected Nivrutti (identifying the present human form of God and selfless service to Him), which is limited to very few only and God always keeps silent and if necessary even opposes it since it is the issue of love towards Him and becomes His personal issue. Of course, that is of highest value and is eternal.

    But today, the souls have come down even from the third step by rejecting justice before injustice. People are rejecting justice and voting for injustice due to lack of true knowledge. You are voting for corruption and rejecting the justified way of earning through hard work. You are loving others who are going to cheat you, rejecting the advise of your family members. When you cannot discriminate the higher and lower planes and truth and false in Pravrutti itself, how can you discriminate God from world in Nivrutti? When you can’t leave corruption and favor justified earning in Pravrutti, how can you sacrifice even your justified earning for God? When you cannot reject false friends and listen the true parents and family members, how can you reject parents and family for God?

    In the ancient time, people rejected false love and voted for justified family. They rejected corruption and favored justified earning through hard work. Then God competed with family and justified earning because the love of God is far more compared to the love of family. But today, He need not compete with justice, which is already rejected by injustice in Pravrutti. Today, Justice cannot give a strong competition to God. Only injustice gives strong competition to God.
     
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    Heaven is the fruit of Pravrutti and abode of God is the fruit of Nivrutti.

    Heaven is the fruit of Pravrutti and abode of God is the fruit of Nivrutti.

    The higher justice becomes injustice before highest justice. To reject the lower justice before higher justice is the very essence of justice and this is established by God (Dharma samsthapanarthaya….Gita). When God said that you have to leave the justice before Him, it means you have to leave the higher justice before Him, who is the highest justice. There is no contradiction here.

    Shankara served His mother in the highest place. He even diverted the river for her sake. He gave highest place for her in Pravrutti. Since He is very much analytical in discriminating justice and injustice, He rejected every thing and every body for her sake. Veda also gives first place to mother. But with the same sharp analytical discrimination, He rejected her before God and even cheated her to go out for God’s work. This is highest justice and His importance to His mother is only higher justice, which is highest with in the Pravrutti, since God doesn’t appear in Pravrutti. God establishes Pravrutti so that it is a training for you to reject lower justice before higher justice so that in Nivrutti, you can follow the same principle to reject this higher justice before the highest justice. Hence, you will find on deep analysis that Pravrutti and Nivrutti are not contradicting with each other.

    The same principle and the same practice exist in both. If you have failed in Nivrutti, you will also fail in Pravrutti. Once you have the power of discrimination through sharp analysis, (Sadasat viveka as called by Shankara) you will succeed both in Pravrutti and Nivrutti. Heaven is the fruit of Pravrutti and abode of God is the fruit of Nivrutti. Heaven is the third world and abode of God (Satyaloka) is the seventh world. Without climbing the third step how can you climb the seventh step? Climbing the third step is Pravrutti and if you learn to climb third step, you will learn to climb the seventh step also. Up to third step, God helps you because love to Him is not involved and it is only love between the souls.
     
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    God is helping you million times more than your family

    God is helping you million times more than your family
    If you have to be grateful to your parents, wife and children, how much you should be grateful to God on the same basis of help done to you? Since you have not realized the help of God, you are less grateful to God. You have over estimated the help of your family and you are more grateful to the worldly bonds. God is helping you million times more than your family and His help is continuous for millions of births even though you are not grateful to Him. The help from your family is limited to this birth and if you analyze you will find that business is always hidden in your worldly bonds. Veda says that any soul loves you since you are the means of its happiness (Atmanah kamaya….). Hence, voting for God and rejecting worldly bonds is not violation of justice but it is based on the same very very justice only.

    Lack of deep knowledge and analysis makes it to appear as voting for God against justice. But in fact, it is only voting for highest justice and rejecting higher justice. When you reject prostitute before your wife, it is voting to higher justice against lower justice or injustice. Justice and injustice are only comparative terms. If a bachelor loves a prostitute and marries her as social reform, such love to the prostitute becomes justice only. Hence, justice becomes injustice and vice-versa in different contexts. It is only a relative concept. Therefore, establishment of justice means establishment of both Pravrutti and Nivrutti (identifying the present human form of God and selfless service to Him). You can identify the justice at every level through the torchlight of analytical knowledge. Therefore, if you cannot identify justice in Pravrutti, how can you identify justice in Nivrutti? If you cannot vote for your wife against a prostitute, how can you vote for God against your wife?

    Hence, analytical knowledge and voting for justice continue without any change in both Pravrutti and Nivrutti. Hence, Lord stressed on establishment of justice only and this covers both Pravrutti and Nivrutti. The high justice becomes injustice before higher justice.
     
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