Violaters / Violations : The Formation of ... The Destee Community Justice System (Council)

Hmmm, I remember this thread, and it seemed to be all over with confusion. I had an idea, but never did share it; it might have gotten lost in the rest of the posts had I tried to post it earlier, but I guess I can go for it now.

Since it seems no one even has an idea as to who'll be on the council, it really does look like this is starting from scratch.

My thoughts to this were the following(it may be long, so bear with me):

DCJS Membership: The DCJS, or Destee Community Justice System, is one that should be for all members of the board who are able and willing.

I know it was suggested that those who frequently break site rules shouldn't be considered for the council, but I don't think that should remain a permanent stigma on said member if they can prove themselves able to behave for so and so many (let's say 6) months forward from the initial violation.

Once they have proven themselves able, then, if they are willing, they should ask to have their name added to the DCJS council members list(I'll speak on that in a moment). They, like all others listed, will be eligible for active council membership of DCJS, which should rotate its members out every month or so; but this eligibility is only so long as they are still behaved in the months they are listed. If one is caught in another violation, for another 6 months, their name will be excluded from the list, and must again be asked to be added.

DCJS Council Members (List): Now, the DCJS council members list should be a thread started and headed by someone willing to keep up with all who want to be apart of the effort. They should be able to keep up with constant updates as to who's eligible to be on the council and who isn't, at the time. With these constant updates, they should edit the top post accordingly, so that all members of the site are able to access those who are eligible to the council and also, those who are active on the council. (I'll try to place a visual below on how the list should be.)

(The Council itself should be no more than 5 members at a time; too many members, and things might not get done because of mass disagreement which is often seen on the forum, itself. And an odd number allows tiebreakers on decisions.)

It should be made up of 3 males and 2 females, or 3 females and 2 males, interchangeably every month, unless absolutely unable to meet such a requirement. This way, none can cry gender bias when decisions are made. Never should it be 4 males 1 female, or 5 females, or anything like that! Try to keep it even.

HBOC/HSOC: There should be a Head of Council, or HBOC/HSOC. That is, Head Brother/Sister of Council, that any member with a complaint sends their complaint directly to, unless unavailable, in which case, another council member may take it up and hold such a complaint until the absent member can get around to it.

The HBOC/HSOC should decide whether any complaint forwarded to them is one the council should handle alone, or if it is a matter serious enough to be forwarded to Destee and her moderators instead.

If it is decided that it is minor enough that Destee needn't get involved, then the HBOC/HSOC will try to reach a resolution by talk with the other 4 members therein.

DCJS Council Decisions: The council will collectively decide how to handle each complaint that comes their way. For example, they may decide to message the one complained against with a sort of "cease and desist" toward whatever might be causing disturbance, or may decide that the one filing the complaint may be showing a biased against another's post(s) and simply wants to complain. If they feel it's too serious, then, again, they can forward such a complaint to Destee instead, which will be the final say, as we all know.

DCJS Council Member Requirements: No active council member can have another member on "ignore". Biases must be set aside, as well as any grudges if one wants to be apart of the effort.

You must be able to hear all complaints, and ignoring some members might not allow for this.

You must have time enough to actually be here for your duties; maybe not every single day, but at least somewhere in the week.

One has to have been an active member for at least 6 months.

You have to make your gender known, so that others know there isn't any bias.

If you cannot bring yourself to meeting these standards, for any reason, then you shouldn't include your name in the council members list.

DCJS users: If you decide to use or be a partaker of the DCJS, which is recommended so as to lighten the load on Destee, herself, then you agree to not toss aside the decisions made based on your complaints. You agree not to shout "bias!" every time a decision doesn't go your way, but to take each decision as a true effort in trying to settle any problems that may have arisen. You agree to, yourself, put in an actual effort into settling said issue as soon as possible without bringing in any members, unnecessarily, because of your grievances.


Complaints/Issues: Problems that should be brought up before the council should be ones such as listed:

Perceived cyber-bullying(which may include (unwanted)stalking, harassment, etc)

(Un)Intentional disruption of peace

(Un)Intentional personalizing of threads

Threats against another member

Content too inappropriate for Destee dot com

Insults that may have not already been reported to upper management

Outright swearing

Intentional trolling of another's thread( to incite disruption, disrespect, etc)

And certain other issues that may have not been listed.

How to file a complaint: When filing a complaint, be sure to check in to see who's "HBOC/HSOC" so that you know who to send your complaint directly to, to keep things organized. You may not get others to vouch for you, since it opens room for bias, but the council may ask the opinions of others who may have gotten involved in whatever issue as to how they perceived the situation, to help make their decision. Whether or not this is done, is based on council decision and may even come to a vote if it should be done at all.

How long: It shouldn't take more than a few hours for a decision to be settled on any one complaint, but if taken up to a week, for whatever reason, it should likely be forwarded to Destee so that a more immediate resolution be given.


Heading it off: Every one eligible to be on council should have a time at being HBOC/HSOC; after ones time is up at being in charge of council, then there should be a month in between them being able to be head of council once more, so that it's fair for all.

However, that doesn't mean they should have the spot after a month in between, but just that they are eligible, just in case it's necessary for whatever reason.

Every month, it should be someone different, until it comes around again, male female male female, or whatever pattern it starts.

The head may choose their council members, all 4, but must pick 2 males and 2 females available as explained above. Once one has made their decision, the next time around they choose members as the HBOC/HSOC, unless unable, they must pick a different set of members than the last time they headed council, so as not to form any cliques of sorts.


Here is how it might look:

Example:

Male members of council:

Asomfwaa
Clyde Coger
Info-moetry
Enki
skuderjaymes
Chinelo
Kemetstry

Female members of council:

Kadijah
cherryblossom
candeesweet
rapunzal24
butterfly#1
river
legit-writer



Active members on council as of September 2013:

butterfly#1(HSOC(Head Sister of Council)
skuderjaymes
rapunzal24
Enki
river

Number of complaints being actively handled: 3

Number of complaints resolved: 4



Conclusion on thought: Forwarding complaints to the council will give more of a chance to those who may not be fully in the know to get their act together, without being warned by moderators for a violation. And also, it should sort out issues so that they don't reach "violation" level. We want as little formal warnings given out as possible, and want peace to abide here, with little friction.

This was just my thoughts to it; you may love it or hate it.


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I've kinda talked about this effort during a past broadcast, but i need to address it better, more substantively.

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Sister Sister Sister ... THIS IS SOOOO VERY IMPRESSIVE ... GREAT WORK !!! ... :toast: :toast: :toast:

I'm kinda out of pocket right now ... but this won't last long ... and i'll be coming back to this topic and great presentation of yours !!! ... You really did a great job ... gosh ... hmmmm ... :thinking: .... :wink:

I've kinda talked about this effort during a past broadcast, but i need to address it better, more substantively.

I'm honored at all you put into this, truly i am, thanks so much for your love ... :love:

Don't give up on me ... i'll be back soon!

Love You! :kiss:

:heart:

Destee


I'm so happy you like this, Destee! It makes a HUGE difference in things finally getting started and the community coming together, for the site's betterment, as a whole!
 
I do agree that the animosity is extreme here; Asomfwaa arguing his point kind of made that clear; some are just going to refuse to work with others though they claim they want unity. *sigh*

Angela22 Kwame Nkrumah said "Unity presupposes Organization." The point however is that Harmony must prevail IN the Organization. Unity without Organization and Organization without Harmony are bound to fail.

If you want Unity then you want Harmony. I don't know if you are suggesting that I 'claim to want unity' but 'refuse to work with others' but I think you must consider one of the things you wrote earlier, how there are 'trolls' on the site. Understanding that someone will troll you, their promises notwithstanding, is the beginning of Maturity. It's not so much whether I would 'set aside my differences' inasmuch as whether a troll would set aside their trolling. A case and point of trolling was between Chinelo and MsInterpret. To say she had to work with him and to expect him and her to not vie in their moderating capacity or slight one another in their moderating capacity is to misunderstand 'trolling' in its entirety. I don't want to get into this point as Clyde Coger was right about not wanting to spam the thread. Yet I would think Chinelo and MisInterpret working in separate teams would be better for the team effort than Chinelo and MisInterpret working in the same team. You seem to think the latter and while it does seem to resemble "Unity" more closely it also seems much less likely to be successful in handling the complaints of others. I.e. MsInterpret could be making a decision then Chinelo would write "You're so sexy when you talk this way" then MsInterpret may be irked from the continued harassment and another conflict is underway. Meanwhile if one voluntarily separates from the other, both can be at their best in the groups they feel most comfortable and least harassed in. Or said otherwise, I suggest the operation be designed around the moderating not the moderators.
 
Angela22 Kwame Nkrumah said "Unity presupposes Organization." The point however is that Harmony must prevail IN the Organization. Unity without Organization and Organization without Harmony are bound to fail.

If you want Unity then you want Harmony. I don't know if you are suggesting that I 'claim to want unity' but 'refuse to work with others' but I think you must consider one of the things you wrote earlier, how there are 'trolls' on the site. Understanding that someone will troll you, their promises notwithstanding, is the beginning of Maturity. It's not so much whether I would 'set aside my differences' inasmuch as whether a troll would set aside their trolling. A case and point of trolling was between Chinelo and MsInterpret. To say she had to work with him and to expect him and her to not vie in their moderating capacity or slight one another in their moderating capacity is to misunderstand 'trolling' in its entirety. I don't want to get into this point as Clyde Coger was right about not wanting to spam the thread. Yet I would think Chinelo and MisInterpret working in separate teams would be better for the team effort than Chinelo and MisInterpret working in the same team. You seem to think the latter and while it does seem to resemble "Unity" more closely it also seems much less likely to be successful in handling the complaints of others. I.e. MsInterpret could be making a decision then Chinelo would write "You're so sexy when you talk this way" then MsInterpret may be irked from the continued harassment and another conflict is underway. Meanwhile if one voluntarily separates from the other, both can be at their best in the groups they feel most comfortable and least harassed in. Or said otherwise, I suggest the operation be designed around the moderating not the moderators.


I wasn't pointing my comments at you, Asomfwaa. I know you disagreed with part of my post, but I can tell you're a brother wanting unity. lol

I understand what you're stating, and am not disregarding your points. I would hope that only those who know they can set their grudges aside for the betterment of the site would put their names forward. I know trolls will do so regardless, but I believe that can be handled once they've shown their colors.

As for the "trolling" examples you gave; well, I haven't sorted every last detail out, but I believe something like that(between Chinelo and MsI) would simply get a council member(the violator) replaced and have their named removed from the list since they are violating the very rule(s) we're supposed to be trying to keep throughout.

And I don't want it placed around the moderating, so much, because this site is about encouraging and unity with black people. People need to put up what they've been asking for, or, for lack of a better term, shut up and quit saying they want this and that, when they're not willing to truly go for it.

I'm not saying we should be desperate to have everyone on board either, but that we should want everyone to want to put aside their grudges to be suitable to be on board. If one is willing to harass another member, then it doesn't matter which team they are with, such a person needs to work out those issues before working with anyone. If they aren't willing to solve those issues, they shouldn't be stepping up to solve other people's issues.

That's all I'm saying. :D I hope this all works out for the better.
 

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