Black People : THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION:

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  1. info-moetry

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    Whereas on the 22nd day of September, A.D. 1862, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

    "That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

    "That the executive will on the 1st day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State or the people thereof shall on that day be in good faith represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such States shall have participated shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State and the people thereof are not then in rebellion against the United States."

    Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:
    Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
    And by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States and parts of States are, and henceforward shall be, free; and that the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.

    And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all case when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.

    And I further declare and make known that such persons of suitable condition will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.

    And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
     
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    Let us then lay to rest the fallacy that the Civil War was about freeing slaves.

    It was, in fact, about the economics of slavery. The North knew that the economic climate of the new western territories would be more industrial than agricultural. Having slaves in the west would only take away jobs from white settlers (This is what it is always about). The south did not understand this. They are more romantic and traditional in their thinking than the more practical north. Having free states in the west would only add to the options for run away slaves. It was from this state of affairs that the stand-off and rebellion arose.

    Clearly if Lincoln were truly interested in justice he would have made the proclamation universally applicable instead of hand-picking states and parts of states. This was just a military strategy to get blacks to help him fight his was.
     
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    Yep, the civil war and ending slavery was about reducing the economic power of the south. Not about any moral obligation to black people.
     
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    Imagine this: Compare two farmers selling the same product to same processing company. One farmer has to purchase seed, equipment, water and pay worker to produce a product. If his workers are sick they don't work, if the conditions are too harsh they don't work and they only work for a limited time per day and there work is seasonal. Say this farmer produces on average 100,000 lbs of his crop a season and sells it for 5 cents per pound. The farmers gross profit would be $5000.00 per season. Out of this the farmer must pay all his expenses and what's left over is what the farmer has for the year until next season. The other farmer has to purchase seed, equipment, water and slaves. Though the slaves are a large expense initially they are a great long term investment. This farmer is in area where the seasons are longer because the climate is most conducive for farming. Therefore the farmer is able to yield more crops per season. Let say the two farmers were pretty even in yield and profit for the first 2 years. Let say after the third the second farmer instead of hiring workers he keeps amassing slaves. Slaves that are not being payed, grow and farm their own food (of which the farmer gets the best portions and the slave got his leftovers) and has no limit to the amount of work the slave has to do per day. The slave works while sick, the slave work while injured, while thirsty, while hungry, while exhausted, while fatigued, in unsafe conditions, in all climates and still the slave perseveres again for no pay. By now the farmer doesn't need to purchase more slaves and the one he has have now had children. In a bold economic gamble the second farmer cuts the price of his crops from 5 cents per pound to 3 cents per pound. So now the second farmer is taking most of the first farmers sells. With the increase in profit the second farmer buys more land to farm and more slaves to work the land. Eventually the slave have children old enough to work the field so his work force has increased by a third. The second farmer is able to increase his yield per season, undercut his competitors and maintain low overhead. This ultimately drives the first farmer out of business and widen the gap between cost to profit ratio. In 10 years the second farmer is now a wealthy man and has a monopoly on the crops being sold for processing. What the second farmer does is goes to his neighbor (which is a farmer like himself) and forms an alliance. The second farmer knows that the processors and manufacturers will try to pit the farmers against each other for competitive pricing. The farmers gain enough economic wealth that they begin to form their country with their own laws and the own money. Now the country is divided. The political power and intellectual halls of knowledge reside in one part of the nation and the economic wealth resided in the other part. Remember the nation is not fully industrialized and farming was the major industry at that time. As the president how do you level the playing field and unite the country? This is what is the Emancipation Proclamation is about and nothing more.
     
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    That's an interesting analysis.How could freeing the slaves in the rebellious states have united the country under such circumstances?
     
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    There is some more to it when you consider the root of the word Emancipation......

    There is a little more to it when you study Abraham Lincoln (which was not his REAL NAME) and see that he lost in his FIRST RUN FOR PRESIDENCY.......


    not too many people know that he ran twice, WHY NOT?????????????

    Not too many people know he was an Orthodox JEW!!!!! & they wonder why he was murdered.............hmmmmmmmmmm, let me think?????? :uhoh:
     
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    My understanding of reading this and what i think I maybe wrong but the Civil war was 1861 hmmm by 1862 they need more men to fight the only way to do that is to free some slaves so they would have more to send into war.

    The Union Army suffered 13,000 casualties and the Confederates lost 10,000. However, the Union Army, with the arrival of General Henry Halleck and his troops, were now the stronger and had little difficulty driving Beauregard out of Corinth

    the Union consisted of 23 states and 22,000,000 people, the Confederacy had only 9,000,000 people (including 3,500,000 slaves

    Lincoln realized the significance of Antietam and on 22nd September, 1862, he felt strong enough to issue his Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln told the nation that from the 1st January, 1863, all slaves in states or parts of states, still in rebellion, would be freed.
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    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAcivilwar3.htm
    Following along this time line This was placed for more slaves to fight in the war.....Info help....
    Because i think it is alot more behind alot of stuff they did and still do....

    Peace
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    peace,

    Nothings changed...........

    check the pattern of today's politicians, especially when running for Resident....they promise all types of things and when they get elected they spend 4 years telling you why they can't fulfill their promises..........

    Emancipation - comes from the Latin (Manciperment, excuse the spelling) means to free from one's HAND, not from one's CONTROL & POWER............YET WE CAN OFTEN HEAR OUR PREACHERS TEACHING ON THIS SUBJECT AS IF IT WAS GOD'S WORD.........................
     
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    You are so right nothing have changed they follow a plan that was placed long before they get elected....what is happening now was planned about 10 yrs ago or so...they come in with new bills that get passed over night almost
    that makes thier promises all lies.....and they know this.....so why not make a promise and then give us an excuse of why they can't.

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    Freeing the slaves would give the whole country an even playing field economically. No one would be able to reap the benefit of free labor that replenishes itself. All businesses would have the same expenses to contend with. There would be no clear advantage. The rebellious states would have to conform in which they did after they were conquered.
     
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