Brother AACOOLDRE : The Dirty South: blacks owned Blacks too?

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  1. AACOOLDRE

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    THE DIRTY SOUTH: Blacks owned Blacks too in the USA

    By Andre Austin

    The Godfather of Black History, Carter G. Woodson set out in 1924 to record a stain on blacks participating in the Slave Trade right here in the wilderness of North America. As a researcher I couldn’t walk away from it. I’m doing a book on slavery and you can’t be taken as serious or credible if you don’t come at the subject from all angles. From what I can see these free blacks averaged less than 10 slaves as recorded in the 1830 Census. What we have here is a case of a subjected people being forced to participate in their own destruction. If it wasn’t for one of J.A. rogers books, (100 Amazing facts about the Negro), I would have been unaware of Woodson’s book. The Dean of black history, the Late Doctor Ben, used to ask the Q about what African Kings sold their brothers out to the Whiteman. Henry Louis Gates took him up on that Q and started to name names. Well Woodson also name names in the same way from the 1830 Census.

    Here are some excerpts from Woodson foreword and introduction to his little but big and explosive book: FREE NEGRO OWNERS OF SLAVES IN THE UNITED STATES IN 1830

    FOREWORD

    “This statistical report on free Negro ownership of slaves was made possible in 1921 when director of the Association for the study of Negro life and History obtained from the Laura Spelman Rockefeller Memorial an appropriation for the support of research into certain neglected aspects of Negro History. This special report, however, was not the objective of the Research department of the Association. It developed rather as a by-product. In compiling statistics for much larger report on FREE NEGRO OWNERS OF SLAVES IN THE UNITED STATES IN 1830, the investigators found so many cases of Negroes owning slaves that it was decided to take special notice of this phase of the History…

    Carter G. Woodson

    Washington, D.C.,

    April 1, 1924


    INTRODUCTION

    “The aim of this report on the free Negro is to facilitate the further study of this neglected group. Most of these people have been forgotten, for persons supposedly well-informed in history are surprised to learn today that about a half million, almost one-seventh of the Negroes of this country, were free prior to the emancipation in 1865. It is hardly believed that a considerable number of Negroes were owners of slaves themselves, and in some cases controlled large plantations.

    There were several reasons for selecting the census of 1830. I the first place, the earlier reports do not give as much information as the census of 1830. At that time, moreover, the free negroes had about reached their highest mark as a distinct class. The reaction which set in earlier in the century restricted their freedom and in many cases expelled them from the South. This census, then, evidently reports the names of a larger number of representatives free Negroes than any other census prior to their debasement to a lower status or their migration from the South. This trek reached its highest point between 1830 and 1835. Most of the free negroes in the North in 1830, therefore, had been there for some years.

    The census records show that the majority of the negro owners of slaves were such from the point of view of philanthropy. In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa. The slaves belonging to such families were few compared with the large numbers found among the whites on the well-developed plantations. Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he didn’t thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported by the enumerators.

    Some of these husbands were not anxious to liberate their wives immediately. They considered it advisable to put them on probation for a few years, and if they did not find them satisfactory they would sell their wives as other slaveholders disposed of Negroes…”
     
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  2. AACOOLDRE

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    you will have to take this argument up with Carter G. Woodson who wrote the book.
    Black people participated in the enslavement of blacks, a minor role.

    Then we have the Blackman Anthony Johnson who has the dubious honor of being the first American to hold a Black person as a slave for life. Johnson was originally an indentured servant who came to America from England in 1621.
     
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    Its history. Dont attack me for writing on history.
    It would be wrong to write about slavery and not to mention it. i dont appreciate the insults of your posters. Knock it off.
    I'm qouting Woodson Foreword and his Introdution. take it up with him. well he died in 1950
     
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    The truth is the truth. We have to be strong enough to see our past warts and all. If we can't do that, then how do we ever expect to be able to tackle the myriad of problems that harm our communities? So yes, we have to recognize the part we played in our own enslavement.

    "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
    George Santayana
     
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    You and your memes. No one is excusing white men of anything, but we are not going to excuse any evil doing black men either. We have too many of our own doing evil and getting away with it because of the excuses we are so willing to make for them. What makes it even worse is that the evil they do is against their own people, and yet we can always found some of us who will excuse it or outright try to hide and/or ignore it in some misguided belief that it is helping our people.

    Every problem we have can not all be thrown at the white man's feet. We have to recognize those problems of our own creation and eradicate them. This history that Carter G. Woodson has exposed shows us that we have had some of our own that have had no problem with exploiting their own people since the time of slavery. It has happened then and it is still happening now. Hiding from it and putting up memes to throw off recognizing it will not help the effort to keep it from continuing to happen.
     
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    My comment is not directed towards you personally, more directed to the universal belief of the statement I quoted.


    I don't disagree with a lot you say.


    I believe JFP's issue with some of the statements are that your statements imply this all happened inside a "bubble".

    the universal law: cause and effect, should be taken into consideration when examining this "history".

    So to compare so called "evil" black man behavior and so called "evil" white man behavior is a false equivalent as yt would say.




    It almost seems like everyone is in agreement that a serial killer who chopped off 10 human heads is a horrible person.
    But some can't understand why someone would want to show the serial killer empathy because he got a paper cut while chopping those heads off. lol

    Every year we find ways to underappreciate the trauma (to say the least) our ancestors endured so we can have a life in this present day. I find it disrespectful.
     
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    jamesfrmphilly ... your posts have been reported in this thread.

    Disagreeing with someone's point of view is not a rule violation.

    This is different ... AACOOLDRE is a Columnist here.

    He has his own forum, which you're in, and he never bothers anyone.

    Columnists always get extra protection, sharing like they do.

    There are so many reasons why what you're doing is unacceptable.

    I don't think I have to name them all ... but correct me if I'm wrong and I'll oblige.

    If you feel strongly about this topic, start your own thread on it.

    Real quick easy awesome peaceful fair and loving resolution.

    If you have any questions please ask.

    This is a warning.

    Much Love and Peace.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    Not only James ... everyone ... it applies to all, in every Columnist's Forum.

    Be respectful or do not participate.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    i did not consider disagreeing to be disrespectful.

    i also did not know of special consideration for columnists.

    hard to play by rules that you don't know exist.

    i will now place this person on my ignore list and that should solve the problem.

    james
     
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    Whew! This is a tough subject, but needs to be addressed, because I feel it goes much deeper than just what happened here in the States.
     
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