Black Spirituality Religion : The Definitive Understanding about Ankhen-Aten

Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by SAMURAI36, Apr 19, 2006.

  1. SAMURAI36

    SAMURAI36 Banned MEMBER

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    4,762
    Likes Received:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Bay Area
    Ratings:
    +234
    It has been continuously (yet unfoundedly) asserted here, that Ankhen-Aten, rogue "Pharoah" of Kemet, created some "new religion" for us as Black people to follow, and that this religion somehow "replaced" the theology of our people which has been alleged as polytheistic and "pagan".

    None of these assertions are true, or can be substantiated, and beyond that it has proven that this Pharoah's belief in ATEN, is nothing more than solar worship.

    Atenism is the monolatrous and monistic belief that all things in the physical world can be traced back to the sun as the source. This religion was devoid of any metaphysical or spiritual aspect, and was very simple and pragmatic (not to mention myopic) in premise.

    Some info about Aten as a deity, in relation to ATUM, another Kemetic deity:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atum

    Atum (alternatively spelt Tem, Temu, Tum, and Atem) is an early deity in Egyptian mythology, whose cult centred on the Ennead of Heliopolis. Originally associated with the earth, Atum gradually became considered to be the sun, as it passes the horizon. The separateness of the two instances per day that this occurs, led to the aspect of Atum that was young, namely the rising sun, becoming considered a separate god, named Nefertum (literally meaning young Atum), and consequently Atum became mainly understood as the setting sun.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aten

    Aten is a creator of the universe in ancient Egyptian mythology, usually regarded as a sun god represented by the sun's disk. His worship (Atenism) was instituted as the basis for the mostly monotheistic — in fact, monistic — religion of Amenhotep IV, who took the name Akhenaten. The worship of Aten ceased shortly after Akhenaten's death.

    ANKHEN-ATEN was always a monolator, a worshipper of one supreme IDOL.

    HOTEPU
     
  2. uplift19

    uplift19 Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2006
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    12
    Ratings:
    +12
    So basically he made the sun the exclusive object of his worship instead of a God or gods?
     
  3. SAMURAI36

    SAMURAI36 Banned MEMBER

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    4,762
    Likes Received:
    232
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Bay Area
    Ratings:
    +234
    Yes. :fyi:

    PEACE
     
  4. Music Producer

    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 31, 2004
    Messages:
    3,810
    Likes Received:
    94
    Ratings:
    +94
    As we speak there is a project taking place in Egypt called the Akhenaten Temple Project headed by Donald Redford. This project involves reconstructing several walls to their original status. Redford is simply discovering bricks that were apart of several walls that made up Akhenaten’s Temple. He scans these bricks and the drawings on the bricks into a computer and the computer calculates the position of the brick in the walls through extrapolating images from previously scanned bricks. In this project Redford has reconstructed a speech written by Akhenaten himself at the very start of his reign. This is the speech.

    “Look, I am speaking that I might inform you concerning the forms of the gods; I know their temples and I am versed in writings, namely the inventories their primeval bodies and I have beheld them as they cease to exist, one after the other, whether consisting of any sort of precious stone or [……] – except the god who begat himself by himself [Atum]…..”

    This speech written and spoken by Akhenaten and a more detailed understanding of his religious ideas can be found in, “Egypt’s False Prophet Akhenaten” by Nicholes Reeves ISBN 0-500-05106-2.

    You can look up more information on the Akhenaten Temple Project on the Internet. There is no better way to study Akhenaten and his religious concept but through the recorded record of the man himself.
     
  5. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Messages:
    6,458
    Likes Received:
    1,282
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Author
    Location:
    Where the Niger meets the Nile
    Ratings:
    +1,290
    Thanks Music Producer.

    See we don't disagree on EVERYTHING.

    Different people have different views on this man. One thing for sure he did not introduce monotheism to ancient Kemet.
     
  6. Music Producer

    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 31, 2004
    Messages:
    3,810
    Likes Received:
    94
    Ratings:
    +94
    You are welcome.

    Yes, in studying more details of Akhenaten that even today information is being found it seems he simply tried to re-establish a dead religion that was probably known as Atumism.

    Do you think Akhenaten was correct in his religious views?
     
  7. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Messages:
    6,458
    Likes Received:
    1,282
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Author
    Location:
    Where the Niger meets the Nile
    Ratings:
    +1,290
    Indeed I do NOT. I don't worship the sun, but the ALL who created the sun.

    If Ra Un Nefer Amen is correct Akhenaten's problem was that he was infatuated with white women and imported them into Egypt to be Queens. since Egypt was a matrilineal society this gave these white women power and you know like their male counterparts they destroy anything they have power over. . Egypt never recovered to it's former dynastic glory and sovereignty after he brought those white women in.
     
  8. Music Producer

    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 31, 2004
    Messages:
    3,810
    Likes Received:
    94
    Ratings:
    +94
    Akhenaten evolved from worshiping the sun. His GOD became the Hidden GOD behind the sun, the unseen GOD.

    If Nefer teaches this, it is a sad day. Could you point out the book in witch he teaches this and the page number? From what I have been reading white people did not set foot in Egypt in mass numbers until the Roman occupation.

    Also if he teaches this I find it strange that he would say this about a Pharaoh that believes and promotes a concept of religion that is just the exact opposite of what Nefer teaches.

    Well, to each his own : )
     
  9. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Messages:
    6,458
    Likes Received:
    1,282
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Author
    Location:
    Where the Niger meets the Nile
    Ratings:
    +1,290
    Yes, I have the book. He doesn't speak of a mass of whites but a series of white women who just came in and changed things around a little. The book is An AfroCentric Guide to Spiritual Unity. Off the top of my head i can't give the page numbers but the book has an index. Not everyonw agrees with Nefer on this issue. However, I am inclined to agree with him because how could a civilization that flourished for thousands of years decline unless an element infiltrated it from the inside first thus allowing outside forces to prevail.

    I'm not saying one way or the other. I wouldn't argue someone else's point without investigating the facts on my own.
     
  10. Music Producer

    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 31, 2004
    Messages:
    3,810
    Likes Received:
    94
    Ratings:
    +94
    If Nefer teaches this I suspect it is all part of his program to prejudice his followers against any one or historical pharaoh that contains information linking Kemet to Monotheism. Due to Nefer’s knowledge of Kemet I would say he already fully understood that Akhenaten was responsible for destroying the religion he know promotes and he simply is devising a way to isolate Akhenaten and his philosophy through character assassination.

    Akhenaten was mainly a family man. He is not depicted with any harems; he is not depicted with white women. Akhenaten had two main females in his court one was Nefertiti, his main wife and the other mystical woman was Kiya who is thought to be the mother of Tutankhaten because Nefertiti bore Akhenaten no son. Both of these women were of Ethiopian stock.

    I have a book “Nefertiti” by Joyce Tyldesley ISBN 0-14-025820-5. The way Nefertiti is depicted as a strong and domineering female I doubt if Akhenaten would have been happy with a white women of foreign land. Nefertiti was a very strong African black woman who seems to not take any crap. It is even suspected that Smenkhkare was Nefertiti dressed and posing as a man and played the role of Pharaoh after the death of Akhenaten. I doubt if there were any white women in the harem of Akhenaten.

    From reading Cheikh Anta Diop “The African Origin of Civilization”, I would be willing to say Akhenaten never even saw a white woman let alone lust after one. ISBN 1-55652-072-7.
     
Loading...