Black Spirituality Religion : The Dark Mother vs The Sun God

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  1. Alexandra

    Alexandra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Elder Sekhemu,

    (Please don’t be alarmed by the title, I shall address it at some point)

    I have been thinking about what you wrote in response to my comment on the potency of blood in rituals, specifically;


    and it is with this in mind that I seek to open a theological dialogue (as opposed to an ethical one) one that is free of a triumphalist attitude (on my part) in order to learn from you. True dialogue also means a reciprocal exposure of differences, and ultimately embracing said differences, and it is my sincere hope that you share this sentiment.

    To this end, I would like to know what your thoughts are on the old order of a universal Great Goddess/the Dark Mother. In your capacity as an advanced ATR practitioner, do you revere/worship Her?

    Best wishes,

    Alexandra
     
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    Sekhemu Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Wow, I'm really flattered that you thought enough of me to reach out and extend yourself for a sincere and constructive meeting of the minds :). That being said, I have an understanding of what the Great Goddess does and is, however help me understand more about the Dark Mother, maybe my ignorance is predicated on simple semantics.
     
  3. Alexandra

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    Apologies for the tardy response Elder S. I needed to source a particular book from which to quote a succint introduction to what I believe to be an accurate summary on the Great Mother. As usual, a caveat is prudent; I am a novice in these matters, so treat my ignorance with indulgent humour.


    Now for history's first great reversal of fortune. The Bible (blech, I hate to quote it but it does help to place things into perspective quite nicely' narrative continues: 'Darkness was upon the face of the earth. According to biblical commentators working within the esoteric tradition (as opposed to your garden variety preacher man) this is the Bible's way of saying that the Mother Goddes was attacked by a searing dry wind that almost extinguished the potential for life together.

    Again to the human eye, it would have looked as if the mist was overtaking by a second emanation. This second emanation would become the god of Saturn. To cut a long story short, this god was eventually overthrown by the seven gold Sun god (seven refers to the seven sun spirits which make up his nature. In Egypt, they are called the Seven Spirits of Ra, and in Hebrew; the Seven Powers of Light) which then warms Mother Earth into life.

    Your thoughts?
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    From what I can discern the dark mother has more to do with a state of being and less to do with notion of good vs.bad

    Naturally I can't speak to the biblical and kemetic refernce in your post, but what I can do is offer a Yoruba creation account illustrating glaring similarities to aforementioned.



    In the beginning the world was a watery, formless "chaos" that was neither see nor land, but a marshy waste. Above it, in the sky, Olorun (king of heaven eye of God) called Obatala into his presence and ordered him to make a world. It was time to make solid land. And obatala was given a snail shell full of earth full of ase, a pigeon, and a five-toed hen to accomplish this task. Obatala came down from orun to the chaos and set to work organizing it. He placed the earth into a small patch. The pigeon and the hen began to scratch in the earth, and they scratched until the until the created land from sea.

    When obatala returned to olorun to report on his work, a chameleon was sent to inspect the job. The chameleon reported good things and Olorun, satisfied with the good report, dispatched Obatala to finish. The finished place is none other the ile-ife.

    The making of the earth took 4 days, on the 5th, Obatala rested from his work.

    Obatala was sent back to earth to plant trees, including the first palm oil tree. Olorun made rain fall from heaven to water the seeds, which grew into a great forest.

    In Heaven (orun) Olorun began to make the first people. They were fashioned from earth by Obatala, but only Olorun could give them life. Obatala hid in Olorun's workshop to watch. However, Olorun knew Obatala was hiding there and put him into a deep sleep, and so only Olorun knows the secret of how to bring a body to life. Obatala through the agents of parents, makes the body, but only Olorun can give life




    After reading this account there are a few things that I can elaborate on, particuliarly as it relates to the whole idea of light. However, I'm going to reserve my commentary to take the opportunity to ask YOU what does this story tell you in relation to evolution of man and cosmos.
     
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    SORRY GOT SOMTHING FOR THE

    DARKMOTHER

    I LOVE MY SUN
     
  6. Alexandra

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    I said to my soul; be still and let darkness come upon you
    T.S.ELLIOT​

    Elder Sekhemu,

    I am working on a response to your question; in the interim, I thought I would post this book extract by Malidoma Some titled 'Inviting the Darkness in'

    In an age in the Western world when there is almost an intense longing for 'enlightenment', what could be more timely than an invitation to re-establish a sacred relationship with darkness? Indeed, it is in the re-definition of darkness that we discover an entry way into a potent transformational experience that can assist us in re-thinking the nature of both reality and healing. What might we learn about ourselves and the powers of the 2other world" by surrendering to the beauty and opportunity for greater vision afforded us in darkness?

    In all parts of this planet the first nine months of human gestation are spent in the rich, protective darkness of the womb. It is there that the being makes the transition from the spirit world to this one, and it is in the absence of light that the spirits work their greatest magic. It is in the light-absent womb that they do the necessary work to prepare the soul for its journey into life on planet Earth.

    From a tribal perspective, it is darkness that is the light of the ancestors. It is only in darkness that powerful aspect of indigenous technology can be revealed.

    We would do well in to learn to appropriate a definition of an elder as one who is the keeper of the gates of darkness. It is the sweet power of darkness that invites the discerning listener to attend to the whisperings of the spirit work. In darkness, true connection occurs.

    Turn out the lights; step into the beauty of darkness.

    Open question (meaning I am not targeting anyone in particular, but all who carry out the practise in question): In light of this information, is it reasonable to send 'light' to departed ancestors?

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    Departed ancestors meaning egun? No, however if your talking about departed ancestors that have not traversed their way thru the gate of Orun, absolutely. They need all the light you can give them. Imagine trying to find your way out of a room with no lights

    I have a question for you. Where is the soul locate before it incarnates into the womb and the physical realm. Hint, in Ifa we say earth is the market place orun is home
     
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    white, black and red. these three colors symbolize all that is and isn't.

    ase
     
  9. Alexandra

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    Awo Dino (I keep meaning to ask, Awo is a Yoruba term for ?)

    I am glad you chimed in when you did with that comment on the three colours three colors (which represent the threads of life yes?), because I have been looking for information pertaining to San Simon and I know that he is associated with these three colours, as is La Santa Muerte, another Saint I am interested in. See the handy coincidence? Anywhoodle, I was wondering if you have any knowledge of these Saints given your PR background?


    Thanks.

    A
     
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    Buenos dias Alexandra,
    speaking of coincidences, I was, right before reading your post, thinking of contacting brother Corvo to ask him to drop some Puerto Rican science on us. So our thoughts seem to be linking up. I know practically nothing about saints. I have chosen to go Yoruba, and shed the saints. But don't think for a minute that I don't believe in Santeria or the power of saints. I will ask my sister in law about san Simon and la virgen de la muerte. My sister in law reads cards, the spanish ones. she is very good. she has clients all over the world - mostly europe. a certain recently deceased pop star's sister is her most famous client. she does ebos, but calls them something else. she's in the dominican republic. dominican santeria seems to be all saints, she never talks about Orisa. she chants from the bible. but her ebos i recognize. but she doesn't make the connection to orisa. very interesting. but she has ase, i'm tellin' ya. her ebos work quick, when she does a rogacion (wash ori) you feel it and see it. when she calls me to warn me about something, it always manifests. and ifa always confirms her info. My father in law has a botanica over there. he has a head full of a lot of info. on saints, etc.
    so i'll get back to ya on that. and hopefully we can get Corvo to answer your questions also.

    alaafia

     
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