Black Money Business Jobs : The Conquest Theory of the State

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  1. Shikamaru

    Shikamaru Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    The theory began with Ludwig Gumplowicz with further development by Franz Oppenhiemer.

    You will certainly want to read Albert J. Nock and his book, "Our Enemy, the State".
     
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    Shikamaru,

    Are you saying that all states in the past were exploiting of the poor?
    Or that even small African nations were not build on mutual benefit?

    It is easy to see all modern states like this. but I don't believe it has always been like that.
     
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    All states in the past and presently are built on exploitation.

    No state is designed for mutual benefit. It is designed for the benefit of its founders, directors, or the elite.

    If you can find me an example of a state not founded on exploitation, I'll consider it.

    What you are indirectly referring to is what has been defined by Hobbes, Locke, and Rousseau as the "social contract theory" of the state.
     
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    This pretty much ties in with "conflict theory". It finds its way back to American shores in the ideas of C. Wright Mills.

    It's an honest look at how things can be easily described in their current state, but the conflict theorists did actually offer some pretty good solutions.
     
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    If you have any links on this, I'd be appreciative.
     
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    No ofence brother, but I see this as a western dominated notion. That groups of people organize from the top down. and that they have never organized from the bottom up, as was the case in most small to some what larger groups through out the ancient world.

    I see the state as an abstract notion. A false construct. Not a natural one. I won't be arguing with you on some author's perspective that I have never held with in my being.

    Do I need to show this to you? No brother.
    with all due respect, I don't buy most of the western hip I've been forced to read or adhere to. so please forgive me if I just skip out on this debate....

    As a person who has looked to nature for my answers to life and living, I can't buy the white man's perspective on nearly any thing.

    with love, Corvo
     
  9. Shikamaru

    Shikamaru Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I have never seen any organization ran from the bottom up. Not even the family is run this way.

    The state is an abstract notion and construction of the mind. A false construct is a matter of debate.
    The state exists, however.
    Do you pay taxes?
    Do you have a Social Security number?
    Do you vote?

    You have no counter example in response to my request?

    Nature is top-down as well :).
    An ant or bee colony has a queen, does it not?
    Don't most mammals compete for mates and territory with the spoils going to the largest, fastest, strongest, brightest, or most healthy of the competitors?
    Is there not a food chain in nature?

    No offense taken. This is a debate and discussion. Iron sharpens iron.
     
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