Black Spirituality Religion : The Confusions of Ahmed Deedat

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    WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MOHAMMED (PEACE BE UPON HIM) THE PROPHET OF ISLAM

    A lecture by Ahmed Deedat

    What is Prophecy?
    The dominee replies: "You see, prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future. When that thing actually comes to pass, we see vividly in these prophecies the fulfilment of what had been predicted in the past." I said: "What you actually do is that you deduce, yo u reason, you put two and two together." He said: "Yes." I said: "If this is what you have to do with a 'thousand' prophecies to justify your claim with regards to the genuineness of Jesus, why should we not adopt the very same system for Muhummed?" The dominee agreed that it was a fair proposition , a reasonable way of dealing with the problem.

    I asked him to open up Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, which he did. I read from memory the verse in Afrikaans, because this was my purpose in having a little practice with the language of the ruling race in South Africa. (8)

    'N PROFEET SAL EK VIR HULLE VERWEK UIT DIE MIDDE VAN HULLE BROERS, SOOS JY IS, EN EK SAL MY WOORDE IN SY MOND LE, EN HY SY SAL AAN HULLE SE ALLE WAT EK HOM BEVEEL. Deut.18: 18.

    The English translation reads as follows:-

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
    like unto thee,
    and I will put my words in his mouth;
    and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.

    Prophet Like Moses
    Having recited the verse in Afrikaans, I apologised for my uncertain pronunciation, The dominee assured me that I was doing fine. I enquired: "To whom does this prophecy refer?" Without the slightest hesitation he answered: "JESUS!" I asked: "Why Jesus?... his name is not mentioned here." The domin ee replied: "Since prophecies are word-pictures of something that is going to happen in the future, we find that the wordings of this verse adequately describe him. You see the most important words of this prophecy are 'SOOS JY IS' (like unto thee), - LIKE YOU - like Moses, and Jesus is like Moses. " I questioned: "In which way is Jesus like Moses?" The answer was: "In the first place Moses was a JEW and Jesus was also a JEW; secondly, Moses was a PROPHET and Jesus was also a PROPHET - therefore Jesus is like Moses and that is exactly what God had foretold Moses - "SOOS JY IS". "Can you think of any other similarities between Moses and Jesus?" I asked. The dominee said that he could not think of any. I replied: "If these are the only two criteria for discovering a candidate for this prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18, then in that case the criteria could fit any one of the following Biblica l personages after Moses:- Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist etc., because they were also ALL Jews as well as Prophets. Why should we not apply this prophency to any one of these prophets, and why only to Jesus? Why should we make fish of one and fowl of anoth er?" The dominee had no reply. I continued: "You see, my conclusions are that Jesus is most unlike Moses, and if I am wrong I would like you to correct me."

    Three Unlikes
    So staying, I reasoned with him: "In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses! SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Mose s did not have to die for the sins of the world. Is this true?" He again said: "Yes." I said: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses! THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. Is this true?" He answered meekly: "Y-e-s." I concluded: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!" "But dominee," I continued: "these are not hard facts, solid facts, they are mere matters of belief over which the little ones can stumble and fall. Let us discuss something very simple, very easy that if your little ones are called in to hear the discussion, would have no difficulty in following it, shall we?" The dominee was quiet happy at the suggestion.

    Father and Mother
    (1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father. Is this true?" He said: "Yes." I said: "DAAROM IS JESUS NIE SOOS MOSES NIE, MAAR MUHUMMED IS SOOS MOSES!" Meaning: "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is lik e Moses!" (By now the reader will realise that I was using the Afrikaans language only for practice purposes. I shall discontinue its use in this narration).

    Miraculous Birth
    (2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle. You will recall that we are told in the Gospel of St.Matthew 1:18".....BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER,(Joseph the Carpenter and Mary) SHE WAS FOUND WITH CHILD BY THE HOLY GHOST.' And St.Luke tells us that when the good news of the birth of a holy son was announded to her, Mary reasoned:'.......HOW SHALL THIS BE, SEEING I KNOW NOT A MAN? AND THE ANGEL ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HER, THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON THEE, AND THE POWER OF THE HIGHEST SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE:......'(Luke 1:35). The Holy Qur'an confirms the miraculous birth of Jesus, in nobler and sublimer terms. In answer to her logical question:

    " O MY LORD! HOW SHALL I HAVE A SON WHEN NO MAN HATH TOUCHED ME? "
    The angel says in reply:
    "EVEN SO:
    ALLAH CREATETH WHAT HE WILLETH:
    WHEN HE HATH DECREED A PLAN,
    HE BUT SAITH TO IT "BE,"
    AND IT IS " (9) (HOLY QUR'AN, 3:47).

    It is not necessary for God to plant a seed in man or animal. He merely wills it and it comes into being. This is the Muslim conception of the of birth of Jesus.
    (When I compared the Qur'an and the Biblical versions of the birth of Jesus to the head of the Bible Society in our largest City, and when I enquired: "Which version would you prefer to give your daughter, the QUR'ANIC version or the BIBLICAL version?" The man bowed his head and answered: "The Qur'anic.") In short, I said to the dominee: "Is it true that Jesus was born miraculously as against the natural birth of Moses and Muhummed?"He replied proudly:"Yes!" I said:"Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhummed is like Moses."

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    Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible?

    by John Gilchrist


    MOSES AND THE PROPHET

    "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him".
    Deuteronomy 18.18
    Whenever Muslims seek to establish that Muhammad is foretold in the Torah, the Old Testament, they invariably refer to this verse as the one obvious prophecy in support of their claim. They argue that the prophet who was promised by God to Moses was Muhammad because:

    1. The Qur'an is allegedly the Word of God and therefore, as Muhammad recited each passage that was delivered to him, he had the words of God put into his mouth in accordance with the words of this prophecy;

    2. The prophet to come would be from among the brethren of the Israelites, hence the Ishmaelites, because Israel (Jacob) and Ishmael were both descended from Abraham, and the tribes who descended from the twelve sons of Ishmael are therefore "brethren" of the tribes who descended from the twelve sons of Israel. As Muhammad was the only Ishmaelite to claim prophethood in the line of the Old Testament prophets, they aver that the prophecy can only refer to him;

    3. Muhammad was like Moses in so many ways that the prophecy can only refer to him.

    We shall consider these claims briefly and will do so in the light of the context of the prophecy, for this is the only way that a correct interpretation of the text can be obtained. Every intelligent expositor of scripture knows that no passage can be fairly interpreted if it is isolated from its context. Therefore it is essential to quote from the whole passage in which the prophecy is found and the following two extracts are of great importance:

    The Levitical priests, that is, all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion or inheritance with Israel; they shall eat the offerings by fire to the Lord, and his rightful dues. They shall have no inheritance among their brethren; the Lord is their inheritance as he promised them.
    Deuteronomy 18.1-2.
    The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren - him shall you heed - just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, or see this great fire any more, lest I die'. And the Lord said to me, 'They have rightly said all that they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die'.
    Deuteronomy 18.15-20.
    We shall proceed to briefly consider the three points that supposedly prove that Muhammad is the prophet referred to in the text and thereafter will, in the light of the context of the passage, discover precisely which prophet is referred to in the prophecy contained in Deuteronomy 18.18.

    1. THE WORD OF GOD IN THE PROPHET'S MOUTH.

    Christians do not believe that the Qur'an is the Word of God but, purely for the sake of argument, we shall proceed as if God did indeed put his words in Muhammad's mouth to discover whether this might prove that Muhammad is the prophet referred to in Deuteronomy 18.18. In our view the statement "I will put my words in his mouth" does not help to identify the prophet referred to at all. It is true of every prophet that God has put his words in his mouth. For God said to Jeremiah:

    "Behold I have put my words in your mouth".
    Jeremiah 1.9
    Furthermore we also read in Deuteronomy 18.18 that the prophet to follow Moses "shall speak to them all that I command him". Now we read that Jesus once said to his disciples:

    "For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me".
    John 12.49-50.
    A similar text which illustrates this point is found in the great prayer which Jesus prayed on the last night that he was with his disciples. He said:

    "I have given them the words which thou gavest me".
    John 17.8
    In no way, therefore, can the identity of the prophet in the text of Deuteronomy 18.18 be established from the fact that God would put his words in his mouth. With every prophet who is true this is the case and the great prophet referred to in the text, who would be uniquely like Moses in a way that none of the other prophets were, must accordingly be identified from other sources.

    2. A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN.

    Muslims allege that the expression "their brethren" in Deuteronomy 18.18 means the brethren of the Israelites, hence the Ishmaelites. In this case, however, if we are truly to discover the real identity of the prophet who would be like Moses, we must consider the expression in its context.

    God said, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren." Of whom is God speaking when he speaks of "them" and "their"? When we go back to the first two verses of Deuteronomy 18 we find the answer:

    "The Levitical priests, that is, all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion or inheritance with Israel ... they shall have no inheritance among their brethren".
    Deuteronomy 18.1-2.
    It is abundantly clear from these two verses that "they" refers to the tribe of Levi and that "their brethren" refers to the remaining eleven tribes of Israel. This is an inescapable fact. No honest method of interpretation or consistent method of exposition can possibly allow that Deuteronomy 18.18 refers to anyone else than the tribe of Levi and the remaining tribes of Israel. Let us briefly examine the only possible exposition of the prophecy that can lead to a correct interpretation and identification of "their brethren". We need only accentuate the relevant words from Deuteronomy 18.1-2 to discover the only possible conclusion that can be drawn. The text reads:

    "The tribe of Levi shall have no inheritance with ISRAEL. They shall have no inheritance among THEIR BRETHEREN".
    Therefore the only logical interpretation of Deuteronomy 18.18 can be: "I will raise up for them (that is, the tribe of Levi) a prophet like you from among their brethren (that is, one of the other tribes of Israel)". Indeed throughout the Old Testament one often finds the expression "their brethren" meaning the remaining tribes of Israel as distinct from the tribe specifically referred to. Let us consider this verse as an example:

    But the children of Benjamin would not listen to the voice of their brethren, the children of Israel.
    Judges 20.13

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    Esau - The True Name of Jesus


    The Holy Qur'an refers to Jesus as "Eesa", ... Actually his proper name was "Eesa" (Arabic), or "Esau" (Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua" ... The word is very simply - "ESAU" - a very common Jewish name, used more than sixty times in the very first booklet alone of the Bible, in the part called "Genesis". (Ahmed Deedat, Christ in Islam, ch. 2, p. 6)

    Deedat is correct to say that the Qur'an calls Jesus, Eesa, and that Eesa corresponds closest to the Hebrew name, Esau. But the rest of the information Deedat gives is incorrect:

    1. Yeheshua should be spelt Yehoshua.

    2. Jesus' classical Hebrew name is Yeshua not Yehoshua. Yeshua and Yehoshua are related names, and both are classical Hebrew names, but Jesus' name is Yeshua.

    3. Esau is not "a very common Jewish name" as Deedat claims. It is a very rare name and only used for one person in the Bible.

    4. Deedat is completely wrong to say that Esau is the common form of the name Yehoshua, and that Jesus' common name is Esau. Esau and Yehoshua are two completely different names, with different letters and two different meanings. When the name Yehoshua is shortened it becomes Yeshua and not Esau. Jesus' name in Hebrew is Yeshua not Esau.

    5. In Arabic Jesus' name is Yasua. This is similar to the Hebrew name, Yeshua, because they are closely related languages.


    This exposes a significant error in the Qur'an because the Qur'an calls Jesus, Eesa, when his name in Arabic should be Yasua. As you can see, the Arabic for Eesa is very close to Esau and this is why Deedat thinks that Jesus' name should be Esau, but Esau is the wrong name. This means the Qur'an has the wrong name for Jesus or that it uses a very corrupted version of his name. Either way the Qur'an fails to get Jesus' name right.

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    In the Beginning

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
    God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1, NIV)

    Ahmed Deedat, claims to have had the following conversation with a Christian minister.

    I asked the Reverend whether he knew Greek? "Yes", he said, He had studied Greek for five years before qualifications. I asked him what the Greek word was for "God" the first time it occurs in the translation - "and the Word was with God"? He kept staring, but did not answer. So I said, the word was HOTHEOS, which literally means "THE GOD" ... which in turn is rendered - God. "Now tell me, what is the Greek word for God in the second occurrence in your quotation - "and the Word was God"? The Reverend still kept silent ... the game was up. I said the word was TONTHEOS, which means a god. (Ahmed Deedat, Christ in Islam, ch. 7, pp. 40-41)

    In this conversation Deedat claims to understand the original language of the Bible. He claims that through this knowledge he was able to defeat this Christian minister. The problem is that everything he says about the Greek language is wrong.

    Firstly, he says that the first reference to God is HOTHEOS. This is wrong. Here is the Scripture:


    The first occurrence is TON THEON and not HOTHEOS. Deedat is wrong.

    Next, Deedat says that the second occurrence for God is TONTHEOS.

    Again this is wrong:


    The second occurrence is THEOS and not TONTHEOS as Deedat claims. Again, he is wrong. Deedat claims to understand the original language of the Bible but he does not; he cannot even get the letters right!

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    What the Bible says about Muhammad


    Deedat wrote a booklet called, What the Bible Says About Muhammad. In this booklet he seeks to show that the Bible predicted the coming of Muhammad. The main verse that he considers is Deuteronomy 18:18 which is part of the Torah of Moses.

    I (God) will raise up for them a prophet like you (Moses) from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. (Deuteronomy 18:18, NIV)

    Deedat claims that this verse predicts the coming of Muhammad (p. 5) and not the coming of Jesus, as Christians claim. His reason is that Muhammad is like Moses while Jesus is unlike Moses. He gives the following comparison between Moses, Jesus and Muhammad to prove this.

    Moses and Muhammad both had a father but Jesus did not. (p. 7)
    Moses and Muhammad were conceived naturally but Jesus was not. (pp. 7-8)
    Moses and Muhammad got married while but Jesus did not. (p. 8)
    Moses and Muhammad were accepted by their people while Jesus was not. (pp. 8-9)
    Moses and Muhammad brought earthly kingdoms but Jesus brought God's spiritual kingdom. (pp. 9-10)
    Moses and Muhammad brought new laws while Jesus said he did not. (pp. 10-11)
    Moses and Muhammad both had natural deaths while Jesus was according to Christians was killed violently. (p. 12)
    Moses and Muhammad both were buried while Jesus was raised up to God. (p. 12)

    There are three reasons why Deedat's identification of Muhammad as the prophet like Moses is false.

    Reason 1: A Selective Comparison


    Deedat's comparison is very selective. He is very careful to only compare Moses, Jesus and Muhammad at points which prove his case. However, if we compare them at other points Jesus is more like Moses.

    Moses and Jesus were brother Jews while Muhammad was not.
    Moses and Jesus did miracles while Muhammad did not.
    Moses and Jesus provided sacrifices for sin while Muhammad did not. (Leviticus 16, Matthew 26:17-30)
    Moses and Jesus instituted covenants through sacrifice while Muhammad did not. (Exodus 24, Matthew 26:17-30)

    To compare Moses, Jesus and Muhammad at these points would make Jesus more like Moses than Muhammad. Deedat has deliberately avoided considering these facts, therefore his comparison proves nothing.

    Reason 2: Deuteronomy 18:10-20

    Christians and Muslims agree that it is important to read a verse in its context. Therefore we should read Deuteronomy 18:18 in context to see what else is said about the prophet like Moses.

    Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. ... (instead) I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. ... But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."(Deuteronomy 18:10-20, NIV)

    When Deuteronomy 18:18 is read in context we also learn that a prophet like Moses:

    Will not allow spells.
    Will not speak in God's name words that God has not told him.
    However, Muhammad did both of these. Muhammad accepted spells (incantations) as long as they were Islamized.

    'Auf b. Malik Ashja'i reported: We practised incantation in the pre-Islamic days and we said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion about it? He said: Let me know your incantation and said: There is no harm in the incantation which does not smack of polytheism. (Muslim: book 26, number 5457, Siddiqui)
    Therefore Muhammad is not a prophet like Moses.

    Secondly, Muhammad confessed to speaking words in God's name that God had not commanded him.

    I ascribed to Allah, what He had not said. (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, vol. 1, p. 237)

    I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken. (Al-Tabari, The History of al-Tabari, vol. vi, p. 111) Read the full account.

    Therefore Muhammad is not a prophet like Moses.

    Reason 3: A prophet like Moses must agree With Moses.

    The message of the prophets may vary in terms of external ceremonies and regulations. For instance, before the flood some animals were unclean (Genesis 8:20) but after the flood God declared all animals clean.

    Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. (Genesis 9:3, NIV)

    But while ceremonies may change, other aspects of the prophets' message never changes. For instance, there is only one God. A genuine prophet must agree with this truth. Regarding idolatry, this practice is always wrong and never changes throughout the prophets. When the Law of Moses forbids idolatry, this includes the use of sacred stones as part of our worship of God.

    Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves (Leviticus 26:1, NIV)

    ... and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the LORD your God hates. (Deuteronomy 16:22, NIV)

    However, Muhammad continued the pre-Islamic practice of honouring the sacred Black Stone and it is now an essential part of Islamic worship in Mecca.


    Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Daw'ud reported that 'Umar approached the Black Stone and kissed it. Then he said: "I know that you are a mere stone that can neither harm nor do any good. If I had not seen the Prophet (peace be upon him) kissing you, I would have never kissed you." Al-Khatabi said: "This shows that abiding by the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is binding, regardless of whether or not we understand its reason or the wisdom behind it." Such information devolves obligation on all those whom it reaches, even if they may not fully comprehend its significance. It is known, however, that kissing the Black Stone signifies respect for it, recognition of our obligation toward it, and using it as a means of seeking Allah's blessings. ... The underlying spirit of all this is unquestioning submission to Allah. (As-Sayyid Sabiq, Fiqh us-Sunnah, Hajj and 'Umrah, vol. 5, p. 75)

    Muhammad teaches the exact opposite of Moses regarding our worship of God and sacred stones. For Moses this was idolatry but for Muhammad it was worship. This is not a ceremonial difference but a fundamental difference, therefore Muhammad is not a prophet like Moses.

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    Isaiah 9:

    [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.



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    Refuting "COMBAT KIT"
    For many years Ahmed Deedat has been promoting Islam primarily by attacking other faiths. In an effort to degrade and discredit the Bible, he has resorted to the use of ridicule and vulgar language. He has twisted the true meaning of many Biblical quotations by taking them out of context. His recent booklet, "Combat Kit", is an example of this. It is unacceptable and offensive.

    Many people are curious to know how Deedat's accusations against the Holy Bible (in "Combat Kit") have been refuted. The following examples will make it quite clear that "Combat Kit" as a whole is neither accurate nor reliable in what it says about the Bible.

    Example 1

    In 2 Kings 18:27 the Bible makes reference to eating filth and drinking urine. Deedat takes offense at the mere mention of such words in a Holy Book, and then, without giving any consideration to who has said them, calls it an "absurdity". This statement is not made by God nor is it an instruction given by God. Rather, it is part of an historical account recording the words of the commander of the Assyrian army who was an-idol worshipper and an enemy of the Jews who worshipped the One true God.

    Some knowledge of the setting of this story will be helpful. The Assyrian army was besieging the city of Jerusalem. As the siege progressed the Assyrians were trying to demoralise the Israelites by taunting them, saying that they would eventually become so starved that they would resort to eating their own excrement and drinking their own urine. An understanding of the context makes it clear that the Bible records but does not endorse the filthy words of this evil man as Deedat implies. (Read the whole chapter 2 Kings 18 in context.)

    Whenever a person ignores the context, he can make the Bible appear to say anything he likes. An example makes this very clear. Using Deedat's approach it could be argued that the Bible teaches `there is no God'. These words are found in Psalm 14:1 but who are they spoken by? A proper reading of the context shows that they are spoken by a fool, for the full sentence reads, "The fool says in his heart, `There is no God'".

    A basic principle of understanding any book, be it the Bible, the Qur'an or even secular literature is that its details must not be taken out of context but understood in their context. This means one must read the whole sentence and paragraph in order to understand what any individual phrase means. It is surprising that a scholar like Deedat doesn't seem to know such a fundamental principle - or is it more accurate to say that his bias makes him deliberately ignore this principle when dealing with the Bible? The discerning reader who is really seeking truth will see how Deedat misrepresents and distorts the Bible throughout the rest of "Combat Kit" by consistently ignoring the context.

    Example 2

    Ezekiel 4:9-17 mentions how the prophet Ezekiel was instructed to eat cake baked on a fire made from human dung. Deedat ridicules this and misconstrues it, saying that Ezekiel is instructed "to eat cake with ****". Deedat is obviously taking it to mean that the dung is to be eaten along with the cake.

    What the Bible actually says, however, is that God instructed Ezekiel to bake the cake using human excrement, not as an ingredient of the cake, but as fuel for the fire. The fact that the cake was to be cooked over burning dung is supported by 3 evidences:

    1)
    Fires fueled by animal dung were not an uncommon practice in the Middle East. Significantly, in this account, God conceeds to Ezekiel's request by allowing him to use cow dung instead of human excrement.
    2)
    The instructions specified 6 ingredients which were to be mixed to form a cake (including various grains and lentils). The exact amount or rather, ration, of cake that was to be eaten daily was also specified along with a precise amount of water. If dung was to be eaten it is surprising that no amount is given as it is with the portion of cake and water. It is significant that dung is not mentioned until 5 sentences after a summary statement about putting the grains and lentils "into a single vessel". The dung obviously has nothing to do with the food products except that it provides the heat for baking them.
    3)
    The final and most important reason for interpreting the dung as fuel is that the Bible says the cake was to be cooked "on" or "over" the dung. The Hebrew word 'al corresponding to "on" or "over" does not mean "with" as Deedat alleges. Any Hebrew lexicon or concordance will show this. Therefore, the cake that Ezekiel was to eat was not meant to be eaten along with the dung. Rather, the dung was the means, the fuel, for baking the cake.
    It is important to notice that Mr. Deedat not only misinterprets the Bible at this point, he actually misquotes it when he alleges that Ezekiel was to "eat cake WITH ****."



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