Black Spirituality Religion : The Case Against Christianity

Radical Faith said:
No brother once again God's point is proven.


Remember it's not about us and our point of view but it's about God's will and divine purpose for us all.


Peace

Radical Faith


u didnt adress what u quoted me on ...how do u know if god gave those who wrote the bible his words....those are word of man ....not god ...what did folks do before the bible was written ...3000 years after the death of christ....who was still alive ...those who walked and where taught by jesus where long dead....the writings they could not read so king james had them make up things to help him to govern the people....
 
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THA HOOKUPMAN said:
u didnt adress what u quoted me on ...how do u know if god gave those who wrote the bible his words....those are word of man ....not god ...what did folks do before the bible was written ...3000 years after the death of christ....who was still alive ...those who walked and where taught by jesus where long dead....the writings they could not read so king james had them make up things to help him to govern the people....


I Corinthians 2:10-15

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.


First Brother Let me start by saying what I'm about to explain is for your understanding only. Hopefully I can shed some let light on the subject. First let us understand who and what God is. First I must say no one knows everything about God because the idea of God is something we fully can't grasp. We shall explore what we do know about God. God is a spirit. God is the creator of everything that is known and things to come. God is all powerful. God is all knowing. God is all present. These are some powerful statements. How do we know them to be true? Well if you don't believe this then you must believe that we come from bateria that formed in the water by some stroke of chance and eventually we simply evolved to suit our environment and we will continue to evolve into what every the universe throws at us. Life is all we have and once it's over that's it. You'll be snuffed out like a cigarette butt. It's okay to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anybody and don't get caught. have as much fun as you can, do all the things you want to because it really doesn't get any better than this. If this is how you feel then you are a natural man. You understand the superfical reality of the world only. You can only understand what is perceived by the 5 sense in a 3 dimensional world. A God that is everywhere, all time for everyone is probably the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever come up with. People of faith are just like sheep being led to the slaughter and they're missing out on life.

You see brother this is how the natural man thinks. His spirit is dead therefore he will know nothing beyond his physical realm. So when he dies he will get what he asked for, nothing.

On the other hand the spirit man has the gift of discernment. His vision is not limited to what his physical eyes can see. The spiritual man doesn't live in fear. Spiritual man understands that the physical life is a stage a not the end. A spiritual man looks at scripture for the underlining meaning. The scriptures come alive and are relative to his life. The question of authenticity is never in question because of their relevancy. The spiritual man communes with God. The spiritual man is free.

So brother while the natural man is sees his world through prescription glasses the spiritual man looks at his world through a reflecting lense telescope and the foolish man looks at his world through a microscope.

So how does one become this spiritual man? It's simple one must go against every lustful desire and all logical reasoning despite criticism and take a leap of faith. This will make you a fool in the eyes of many but your judge will be God as the scripture says.


Peace

Radical Faith
 
is this about faith????



Faith is an unquestioned trust in God you receive by going to church, accepting what you are told from the pulpit, and of course, paying your dues. Any doubts or questions are considered as a lack of faith.

The Bible:
Persuasion that man is more than a physical entity and is part of a much larger and higher purpose. Even a minute amount of this belief will give mere humans supernatural power, making them capable of performing feats only limited by the level of belief itself. A tiny amount of this belief can allow a person to literally move mountains and gave the miracles of the first members of the church world great power. It is obvious that that persuasion comes form exposure to evidence given to man through an opening of the mind to these prrofs by God.

The word most often translated into 'faith', (223 out of 229 times in the NT), is pistis, pronounced pis'-tis, from peitho; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction.. The word of origin is peitho Pronounced pi'-tho a primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy, to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively, to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty):

This means that faith is belief based on evidence that persuades one to believe. Paul verifies this in his letter to the Hebrew church:

Faith is Proof
Faith Is Substance And Evidence.

· Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The word evidence is translated from elegchos, pronounced el'-eng-khos; proof, conviction. This is consistent with the charge that we are to prove, literally put to the test, and approve all things before we accept them:
Prove all things.
· 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
· Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
In both the verses the word translated is dokimazo, pronounced dok-im-ad'-zo; to test (literally or figuratively); by implication, to approve.
· 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Faith Is A Gift

· Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Proof Is Freely Given, If One Simply Looks For It.

· Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

How is it that a mere mortal can have the incredible power Jesus describes just by believing they have it? How powerful is a human being? Yhovah was very clear about the nature of man:
· Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

And when Yhovah became the human, Jesus, he repeated it, by quoting himself:
· John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Even though the Bible does say humans were made lower than the angels, does that mean this will be their permanent station?
· 1Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

From what the Bible presents, there is but one logical conclusion. Faith is the belief that humans are gods, created to be gods, by the creator God, Yhovah. If this is true, is it any wonder that Jesus said humans have the power to move mountains with just an infinitesimal amount of belief in such an awesome reality?
A complete review of all the verses that record the word faith will show that the above verses are not contradicted. Nowhere is it stated that one should not questions or test the evidence. Nowhere is it stated that faith is not the way the persons possessing it are persuaded. And it is shown that the increase in faith of the members of the first church gave them undeniable super-human power.

Faith Is Belief In God's Power

· Matthew 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
· 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
· Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
· 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
· 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
· 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
· 1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
· 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
· 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
· Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
· 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
· Ephesians 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
· 2 Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
· Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
· Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
· 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
· 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
· 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

Faith Comes From Learning

· Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
· Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
· 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Faith Can Give Unlimited Power

· Matthew 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
· 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
· 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
· Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
· Luke 8:25 And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.
17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. 6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
· Acts 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. 8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
· Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Faith Heals

· Matthew 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
· 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
· 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
· 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
· Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
· Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
· Acts 13:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
· James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Faith And The Law

· Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
· 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
· Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
· 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
· 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
· 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
· Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 
Simply put

Brother faith does not start in the church. There are many church members that have no faith and do what they do out of tradition. You must have faith before you enter the church. It's starts in the way much like what you are going through based upon your conversation. There is a longing to know something that does not have a simple answer. Faith is more about of what you feel. The first form of faith is learning to trust ourselves. We get vibes from all sort of things. You don't have a good vibe about Christianity and the Bible or organized religion for that matter. That's okay. There will come a defining moment in your life when you will know what you know because of what you feel not what someone has told you or what you have been taught. When you reach this point you will be sold on whatever it is you subscribe to and no one will be able to tell you different. The falicy with faith is if you believe the wrong thing than you will suffer in the long run. Problem is there is no real way of knowing other than what we feel. This is why it's important to develop an understanding and trust with yourself. Keep searching brother.

Peace

Radical Faith
 

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