Black People Politics : The Black Radical Tradition

Clyde C Coger Jr

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Once again, I have no idea what you're talking about. Post # 9 is just as opaque and makes as much sense as post #7.
In post #7 you charge that the W.E.B. Du Bois text has been altered and twisted supposedly by someone that goes by the name of Donhoff. Then from some purple haze you manage to spill out words that I can only make out as something like he (whoever this Donhoff is) is some kind of CSA revisionist and apologist. From there you make a half hearted paean to Du Bois then go on to disrespect him by taking his words out of context to suit your own agenda.
For your edification here are two more sources for the very same Du Bois text "The Souls of Black Folks".
https://faculty.uml.edu/sgallagher/WEBDuBois-Souls_of_Black_Folk-1-14.pdf
http://www.webdubois.org/wdb-souls.html#thetext

In post #9 you continue in your trollish manner with vague innuendo about how something or another has been twisted and slanted in some way that it's so unbecoming as to be unbearable then once again not naming who or what that something is.

Now I am not one that believes in censoring at all, but I will not allow this (what I consider) a righteous thread to be hi-jacked by mindless psycho-babble. You or anyone else is welcome to post and link to whom ever they consider is proper for the black radical tradition. For you Willa might I suggest maybe Clarence Thomas or Ben Carson or the supreme repug apologist Michael Steele as a counter message if you so desire.
But I repeat this thread will not be hi-jacked by the trollish.
Hhhmmmm. What are you expecting to accomplish with a Black radical so called tradition for today? Why are you trying to resurrect the past There is no prosperity and understanding in that for today's issues. In fact there is more to the story than that. This coin has two sides.

Thomas Cole a former slave said this after he ran away from a plantation and he was found by Yankee soldiers. He just went along with them because he didn't think going back to the plantation was a safe idea. He found himself in the middle of a Union battle against the Rebels.

"We fought way till dark; then we quits. Rebels got more men than we did, so General Rosecrans sends a message ter General Woods ter come help us out.
'White folks; There was men laying' here and dar wantin' help, wantin' water, wid blood runnin' outer dem, and men laying' round dead wid the top of sides and the head gone, great big holes in 'em. I didn't know the good Lawd wasn't goin' to lets me out wid just dat battle. He was goin to give me plenty more."

So while the evil of slavery was going on, don't forget the other side of people in the United States who were fighting against it.

Even though there were Black Union soldiers, it was a majority of White blood run to the hilt of the White man's sword in the Civil War, which enforced the Union and set the momentum to abolish slavery altogether.

Racism has lost its numbers following Dr. King. Like W.E.B. DuBoise said racism on any level is ignorance.
 

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Thank-you Clyde for refreshing my memory for me. His book "Look for Me in the Whirlwind" has been on my to buy list for about a year or so I believe. And thanks for the interview, through in my mind much too short. On his book; if anyone here has read it, could we all get a critique?
At Bin Wahad's web site located here: http://www.dhorubabinwahad.com/look-for-me-in-the-whirlwind-from-the-panther-21-to-21st-century-revolutions/ I ran across and watched this vid of a talk he gave to some students(?) I think.

 

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Not a problem ogoun, no, not at all.

Thank-you Clyde for refreshing my memory for me. His book "Look for Me in the Whirlwind" has been on my to buy list for about a year or so I believe. And thanks for the interview, through in my mind much too short. On his book; if anyone here has read it, could we all get a critique?
At Bin Wahad's web site located here: http://www.dhorubabinwahad.com/look-for-me-in-the-whirlwind-from-the-panther-21-to-21st-century-revolutions/ I ran across and watched this vid of a talk he gave to some students(?) I think.

 

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The question was asked; why all this resurrection of old history? Puzzling question that and gives cause for some thought. But then again the only ones that would pose such a question are those that give it no thought at all.
So that said, here is two professors that are still giving DuBois some thought and his relevance in todays world.
and
 

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Eldridge Cleaver: After going to jail his last time and being sentenced again to show up for jail in 90 days, he left for Cuba three days before he was to report to serve his new sentence to escape the long arm of the law. While in Cuba he learned by experience, that Communist country lied to him about equality and a lot of things. He learned that Communism was a loss of Freedom, instead oppressing the people of Cuba and that most people in places he went world wide wanted to escape the Communist government.

Since he was at that time dedicated to Communism he thought that was just one bad example, so he went from Cuba to Algiers and traveled to other Communist countries and all over the Arab world. It was the same the world over. He saw that after communism came in and the government confiscated all the private property the people had to go to work for the government. He began listening to what the people were saying, struggling for democracy like ours. He said communism teaches that life is an accident and relegates humanity as an accident having a subservient purpose.

He found that anyone who had an opinion that wasn't in line with the government narrative and policy would find themselves in a mental hospital getting shock treatment, that part of their brain being removed that was causing the government problems. This was students, writers, etc.. Since he is a writer that was disturbing.

He said it was a hard journey, from Black Panther to gratitude for America. He would rather spend his time in an America jail than his freedom in all the places he visited to live all over the world with their inferior and abusive forms of governments.

He said, that American police will knock on the door or burst through it, but in the other places he went in the world, the police would come through a wall with a tank. And no-one might ever see you again.

Eldridge Cleaver appreciates America now and he's turned his bullets in for giving his testimony in speeches all about Communism every where.

You can hear what he has to say and why in his, 1981 BYU Freedom Festival Speech.
 

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Yes, we know you wrap yourself in the rag of capital above all else. You warm screw everyone else.
Yeh yeh, quite the fashion statement.
As you've plainly shown in your latest thread VFH you are completely ignorant of US history so what I suggest child is you go do some remedial study that includes more than grade school white washed fairy tales. In the mean time stop trolling.
 

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