Black People : The Black race will be exterminated if it does not build a black superpower in Africa

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  1. King Tubbs

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    Marcus Garvey And The Black Power Movement: Legacies And Lessons For Contemporary Black Africa
    By Chinweizu

    To avoid wasting anyone’s time, let me make clear who I am not talking to, who I do not want to hear from, for as Confucius said: “There is no point people taking counsel together who follow different ways.” (Analects XV: 40)

    My audience consists only of those Black Africans who want the Black African people to survive. If you are a black African, but don’t much care if the Black African people survive or not, I have nothing to say to or discuss with you. So, don’t read on. Just go away.

    But if you want the Black African people to survive, with dignity and in security and prosperity, just like the white or yellow peoples of this earth, then welcome! We have vital matters to discuss.

    Since white Europeans began raiding Africa in the 15th century for black captives to enslave; since white Arabs invaded Egypt in 640 AD; and indeed ever since white Persians conquered Black Egypt in 525 BC, the cardinal question for Black Africans has been:

    How can Black Africans organize to survive in the world, and with security and respect?

    That question has remained unaddressed for 25 centuries. We must today face and answer it correctly for the conditions of this 21st century, or we perish.

    Pan-Africanism is an ideology made up of the most important ideas that have brought the Black race thus far in our quest for liberation from imperialism and racism, and for the amelioration of our condition in the world; it continues to be the vehicle for Black African hopes and aspirations for autonomy, respect, power and dignity. This ideology is embedded in the thinking of our intellectual progenitors, from Boukman of Haiti to Biko of South Africa. These thinkers include giants like Dessalines, Blyden, Sylvester Williams, Casely-Hayford, DuBois, Garvey, Padmore, Nkrumah, C.L.R. James, Azikiwe, Malcolm X, Aime Cesaire, Cheikh Anta Diop, Cabral, and Nyerere.

    There were three main strands of Pan-Africanism in the 20th century: that of DuBois, that of Garvey and that of Nkrumah. These strands each aimed to accomplish Black Africa’s emancipation from white domination, but they differed in what they defined as the constituency to be emancipated and in the project through which that emancipation would be pursued. In other words, they differed in their answers to the two key questions: emancipation for whom? And by what means?

    For DuBois [1868-1963], the constituency was the Negroes (black peoples) of Africa and the Negro Diaspora in the Americas; and the project was to abolish the color line and socially integrate blacks with whites.

    For Garvey [1887-1940], the constituency was all the Negro peoples of the world, wherever they were; and the means to achieve emancipation was by building a Negro superpower in Africa, an industrial superpower that would be “strong enough to lend protection to the members of our race scattered all over the world, and to compel the respect of the nations and races of the earth. . . .”

    For Nkrumah [1909-1972], the champion of Continentalism, the constituency was, as in the OAU, the inhabitants of the African continent, Arabs and Negroes together, but without the black Diaspora; and the means to achieve emancipation was by building socialism and integrating the neo-colonial states on the continent into one continental state with a single continental government.

    DuBois was a pioneer, with the inevitable limitations in the work of a pioneer. Garvey was a great leap forward from DuBois; and Nkrumah was a great leap backward from both Garvey and DuBois. Why do I say that? DuBois got the constituency right and the project wrong; Garvey got the constituency right and the project right; Nkrumah got the constituency wrong and the project also wrong. But that is a topic for another occasion.

    My task today is to present to you the legacy of Marcus Garvey. I shall start with a summary of what he did, and then go into what he bequeathed us, and then what lessons we should learn from him......

    Read Whole Article: http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com...nd-lessons-for-contemporary-black-africa.html
     
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    Garvey was cool as a summer breeze but it won't be until Africa gets on the same LINGUISTIC page that it can unify. As of now in Uganda alone there are nearly 50 languages. Yes 50, and they are not to fond of one another. They will ally with whites against other Africans quicker than a Rasta will marry a blonde chick with DD breast around 112 lbs. Uganda, my fiance's country is also in both Somalia and Congo committing crimes, raping, and looting villages. Somal;ia in turn bombs Uganda and "The Lords Army" of Rwanda steals Uganda's orphans and turns then n2 killing machines. I absolutely long for a unified Africa but it is delusional to think that all these groups and ethnic groups will unify anytime soon unless a cultural rennasaince happens that ends in just a couple dozen languages similar to how Chin did China when it was a land mass of warring nations. I've been there twice and it's deplorable that my wife(future) and I have to avoid certain areas because they will snatch ur life n a second the very second they hear her native tounge. It's like invisible walls in prison that whites , Mexicans, and Blacks don't cross. Just plain stupid if u ask me. There is literally only a few cultural differences but dozens of cultural simularities. Africans will draw difference over trivial things. This is where the Bloods and Crips get their stupidity from. Let's fight because my rag is blue and your's is red. Silly beyond all that is believable.
     
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    Wow! "Nkrumah was a great leap backward" ?? Wtf!!

    Nkrumah was the first, and perhaps the ONLY Black/African Statesman to critique Neo-colonialism. In fact, it was Nkrumah who coined the term.

    Absolutely unbelievable!!


    smh:10500:
     
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    My audience consists only of those Black Africans who want the Black African people to survive. If you are a black African, but don’t much care if the Black African people survive or not, I have nothing to say to or discuss with you. So, don’t read on. Just go away.


    You know to be honest this all sounds nice and laudable and what not and the choir of us here are in agreement with you but,

    let's be honest

    how big is the choir?

    on Destee? 70%? 50% ? 20%?
    and how long will we stay focused on this effort month after month to see some fruition?

    How big is the choir nationally?
    and will that small percentage stop the starvation that is imminent in Niger?


    Folks have been preaching this to the choir for as you say 80 years
    and after 9/11
    the choir is getting smaller and smaller,
    while Africa has been going through a revitalized,
    opression,
    exploitation,
    denegration,
    genocide,
    slavery,
    and neocolonization

    therefore doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is..... well you know the deal!!!

    Now look at Garvey scientifically rather then emotionally

    This man created some serious modicum of Pan African awareness globally
    , without the internet,
    radio
    , satelite dish,
    cable
    or television

    and did it at a time when one out of 10 white men in this nation was a hood wearing card carrying member of the Klu klux Klan,
    Black folks were being lynched for a look or a gesture,
    and the Motherland was colonized

    Now here we are today with 800 billion dollars and every Black child with a Black berry has access to

    Garvey's, Nkrumah's , Julius Nyere's, and Dr John Henrik Clarkes ;
    sppeches and and imperatives at their fingertips,

    but what connection do their hearts have to the homeland of their ancestors?

    what have we established of lasting value in the 50 states to maintian the concern for Africa since Garvey's time, amongst the youth?
    or the parents?

    What realy needs to be done is to reach out and elevate minds and hearts as to the imperative.

    Let's be honest, are we using the internet, or Black radio enough to spread this message or imperative????????????????

    we know exactly how much money it will take,
    how many woman and man hours it will take,

    therefore just as the oligarchy can establish what the "IN Thing " is for the youth ,

    we need to focus on creating Pan Africanism as the in thing for the youth, and the community at large

    This is a serious and urgent problem that will take much more then a handfull of folks who already know


    http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64033
     
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    I dont know if you clicked the link to read the whole article but the brother does not criticise Nkrumah's analysis of neo colonialism. He suggests Nkrumah was a leap backwards because both DuBois and Garvey were trying to unify all of the the black race whether in Africa or outside, whereas Nkrumah with his Arab wife felt the OAU which unified Arabs in Africa with Africans in Africa (excluding diaspora) was good enough. He did not deal with the fact the Arabs were supporting black genocide in Sudan (yeah, even back then!), and that the Arabs had the Arab League which is their own but Black Africa had no "Black Africans only" equivalent.
     
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    That is something to concider, and a focus that needs to be emphasized ,
    concidering the contemporary situation,
    as every well connected well financed,
    high tech,
    and claiming to be "atrusitic" goon squad from every other race, is
    descending on Africa like wolves on a unprotected chicken coop.

    e had a tribal mindset that far out weighed any racial context, that has been our detriment in the past, is ours today, and will be in the future if we don't wake the ...... up.

    When we think in terms of tribes we are doomed,
    when we think in terms of a race we are liberated

    As log as we allow tribalism, class and religion to seperate us in the Motherland, any efforts on our part here to assist will be mute,
    and that is a pardox that we as Black folks must solve,
    with all and any venues of inter-Atlantic communication that we have available.
     
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    remember that is likely that only a few will be saved. Whites are in this idolistic mode also where little action is taken to cure social ills, I dont think it's just the black community. Also remember that during one of Islam's first battles, I think it was UHUD, that many if not most men chose to return home to their wives. Muhammed(peace) seperated these from the active bunch willing to sacrifice life and limb for a new beginning. Not all were involved. Maybe it's time to establish a sort of black Rocafellas or Ottaman type family that consist of a small military branch, a scientific branch, a political branch, high education branch, Afro culture and history branch, and most importantly,a finance brach that builds the first black national bank with worldwide influence and power. Because I honestly think it'll be hard waking up these 40,000,000 dead black souls in the US. Remember, one of Marcus Garvey's last quotes was (paraphrase) " it's these "light skinned" assimilated negroes who believe that the negroe will prosper in America and they r leading American negroes down a path of destruction". That has turned out to be very true. He meant by "light skinned", ASSIMILATED or what the Rasta call " Babylonian minded". Also remember that there were over 5000 negroes willing to help plot against Malcolm X and no1, not even the Nation would have anything to do with his funeral. I think he was buried by Arabs not blacks. My point being, there r too many as Marcus called them, "assimilated lite skinned negroes", who are like massa's lap dog willing to aid in ripping down any black movement that rises. Do you remember AJ Johnson's role in the movie PANTHER when he played the drug dealer who worked with Hoover's FBI to get cheap heroin into Oakland? Always gotta be some negroe rather lite or brown willing to only think of his own pockets and 4get about the community.---------------- Small groups can establish trust and accomplish more if u ask me. And a prominent black fam will last far into the centuries.
     
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    I am very much aware of the criticism of Nkrumah because he married Nasser's daughter. Fact is she was Egyptian, not "Arabic" as in an outsider to Africa. Furthermore, back in 1964 there was no issue concerning "Arab" genocide in the Sudan. I find it inteesting that while criticizing Nkrumah the author did not mention the fact that it has under Nkrumah that DuBois moved to Ghana. Furthermore, Garvey never set foot in Africa so what framework or program did Garvey really establish in Africa?

    As far as Nkrumah "excluding" the Diaspora...lol! Historically false, because it was Nkrumah who founded the organization which Kwame Ture spent most of his latter years organizing.

    http://www.panafricanperspective.com/aaprp/
     
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    even though most Arabs born in Africsa do not like to be called Arab, Nasser was not Black , now who Nkhrumah was married to is of no relevance, but a Race centered imperative is key to any real mental liberation in Africa.

    The African concept of not seeing race was very noble at one time and may be noble again in another thousand years,
    but in lieu of the global economic hell going on

    such notions are crippling, and self defeating, in regards to Pan African economic unity and defense at the present urgent time
     
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