Black Spirituality Religion : The Bible and King James...............

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    The early Protestants, who were the heirs of the Reformation, exclusively used the Geneva Bible. The Calvinists, the Puritans, and the Pilgrims used this Bible until it went out of print in 1644.

    The first Geneva Bible, both Old and New Testament, was published in English in 1560 in Geneva Switzerland. It was essentially a revision of William Tyndale's revised and corrected 1534 edition. The majority of the work was done by William Whittingham, the brother-in-law of John Calvin.

    In 1560 a complete revised Bible was published, translated according to the Hebrew and Greek, and conferred with the best translations in divers languages, and dedicated to Queen Elizabeth I. After the death of Mary Tudor(Bloody Mary), a fanatical Catholic, Elizabeth was crowned queen in 1558, and once again England moved toward Protestantism.

    The Geneva Bible was an instant success; more than a 144 editions appeared between the years of 1560 and 1644. As a matter of fact, for forty years after the publication of the King James Bible, the Geneva Bible continued to be the Bible of choice. Interestingly, until King James had his own version named after him, he too, used the Geneva Bible. Afterwards, James tried to disclaim any knowledge of the Geneva Bible.

    It is important to note that when James became king of England in 1603, there were only two translations of the Bible in use; the Geneva Bible, as stated, was the most popular, and the Bishops' Bible was used for church services. Gary DeMar, in his historical article titled, "The Geneva Bible: The Forgotten Translation," points out that King James disapproved of the Geneva Bible because of its Calvinistic leanings. He also frowned on what he considered to be seditious marginal notes on key political texts. A marginal note for Exodus 1:9 indicated that the Hebrew midwives were correct in disobeying the Egyptian King's orders, and a note for 2 Chronicles 15:16 said that King Asa should have had his mother executed and not merely deposed for the crime of worshipping an idol. The King James version of the Bible grew out of the king'sdistaste for these potent doctrinal commentaries. He considered the marginal notes to be a political threat to his kingdom.

    At a conference at Hampton Court in 1604 with bishops and theologians, the king listened attentively to a suggestion by the Puritan scholar, John Reynolds, that a new translation of the Bible was greatly needed because of the king's distaste and dislike for the Geneva Bible. James was anxious for a new translation. He exclaimed, "I profess," "I could never yet see a Bible well translated in English; but I think that, of all, that Geneva is the worst."

    In addition to being a threat to the king of England, the Geneva Bible was vociferously anti-Roman Catholic. One must bear in mind that Rome was still persecuting Protestants in the 16th century. Furthermore, one must bear in mind that the English translators, John Wycliff, and William Tyndale, Wycliff was the first to translate the entire Bible into English. Although he only had the Latin Vulgate to work with, one can, upon careful scrutiny, see his influence on Tyndale's translation and ultimately the King James Version.

    John Rogers, Myles Coverdale, and the above were all exiles from a nation that was returning to the Catholic faith under a queen, Mary Tudor, who was burning Protestants at the stake (that is why she was/is called Bloody Mary. She burned 300 or more).

    The anti-Roman sentiment is most evident in the Book of Revelation: "The beast that cometh out of the bottomless pit (Rev. 11:17) was represented by the Pope, which hath his power out of hell and cometh thence." It was not long before the Geneva Bible was replaced by the King James Version, but not before it helped to settle the United States and the Americas.

    It safe to say without reservation that the King James Version of the Bible was a government publication. It was a government publication simply because James was a devout believer in the "divine right of kings." The "divine right of kings" dictum meant that since a king's power came from God, the king then had to answer to no one but God. This also meant that an evil king must not be challenged; the people should suffer in silence; contrastly, a benevolent king was therefore a blessing sent from God.

    This is primarily why James disliked the Geneva Bible. On the other hand, the Geneva Bible, with its marginal notes, was popular with the common people. The Geneva Bible did not conform to the rights of king maxim. However, it must be said that the marginal notes in the Geneva Bible were placed there by leaders of the Reformation, John Knox and John Calvin.

    A marginal note such as: "When tyrants cannot prevail by craft they burst forth into open rage," (Exodus 1:22) annoyed James immensely. The Reformation prospered in Geneva; many of those religious scholars who fled the reign of Mary Tudor (Bloody Mary) started a congregation there. Their greatest effort and contribution was the first Geneva Bible. The marginal notes were added to later editions.

    Religious wars engulfed Europe. The Spanish, because of the Protestant rebellion, waged a war to restore Roman Catholicism to Western Europe. The Dutch fought for the Reformation and religious freedom. The Dutch declared religious freedom for all; thus Amsterdam became an open city for liberal ideas. As a result, the 1599 Edition of the Geneva Bible was printed in Amsterdam and England in large quantities until the 17th century.

    King James made it crystal clear before he became James I of England that he had no use for the "Dutch Rebels" who had rebelled against their Spanish King.

    Queen Elizabeth died in 1603 and her cousin, James Stuart, son of Mary Stuart, who up until that time had been King James VI of Scotland ascended the throne and became known as King James I of England. He ascended the throne, as indicated earlier, with the "divine right of kings" maxim entrenched in his mind.

    In 1603 James was declared king, he wasted no time in ordering a new edition of the Bible as a means of denying the common people the marginal notes they so cherished and quoted in the Geneva Bible. He was not going to allow those marginal notes to sway English citizens away from his commands.

    Thus, on February 10, 1604, he ordained the following: That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant > as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek, and this to be set out and printed without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service.

    James painstakingly set up rules that made it impossible for anyoneinvolved in the project to make an honest translation. Those rules are as follows:

    1. The ordinary Bible read in church, commonly called the Bishops' Bible, to be followed and as little altered as the truth of the original will permit. Since the common people preferred the Geneva Bible to the existing government publication, it was advised that a superseding government publication be placed on their bookshelves.

    2. The Ecclesiastical words to be kept, viz. The word "church" not to be translated "congregation." That is, if a word should be translated a particular way, it should be deliberately mistranslated to make the people think that God still belongs to the Anglican Church--exclusively.

    3. No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot without some circumlocution, sobriefly and fitly be expressed in the text. In essence, these rules and the translation became the King James Version of the Bible and the religious source of the Western world--particularly the third world and among the slaves in the United States.

    Before I conclude, it is imperative that I briefly discuss the character of King James. A number of historians and religious scholars have argued that King James was a homosexual; his activities in that regard have been recorded in numerous books, public records; as well as articles. However, there are some historians, individuals that I refer to as King Jamesites, who vehemently deny that James was homosexual or effeminate, and they skillfully invert the words of James to accomplish their task.

    Stephen A. Coston, author of "King James The VI of Scotland & I of England Unjustly Accused?" is one such individual who defends James's moral character to the utmost. Coston writes these words: "More often than not even when actual facts of King James VI & I are presented they are subjected to interpretative twists designed to give the reader the impression that the words and deeds of King James VI & I support the allegations commonly leveled against him.

    Case in point, it is a known fact King James was handicapped from birth with weak limbs and injured himself many times. This caused him to have an unsteady gait. To compensate for this James often leaned on his most trusted councilors and friends which also happened to be members of his personal staff, individual critics freely term "favorites" giving the reader the impression King James did so not because of a physical handicap but because of sexual attraction to same. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Further, it is also freely alleged that King James "passionately kissed" his "favorites" in public." Coston continues, "Critics of King James VI & I are fond of inferring from the above that King James engaged in the: French Kissing" of his "favorites." They then use this assumption as yet another "proof" to support their contention that King James was indeed truly a "homosexual."

    For Coston, these critics of James had not presented any concrete proof that went beyond doubt to advance the belief that James was a homosexual. He goes on to say, "Most indeed who have written about King James VI & I have never actually sat down to read what he actually wrote. This environment has created a prime climate for the kind of slanders and libels King James has been subjected to." Coston strongly argues that these religious scholars and historians have merely toyed with conjecture and not facts regarding the sexual orientation of King James.

    Contrarily, I would passionately urge Mr. Coston to read "King James & Letters of Homoerotic Desire" by David M. Bergerson. Mr. Bergerson not only presents facts of King James's effeminate, if not, homosexual tendencies, but of his erotic interests as well. Bergerson's exploration of letters between King James and three of his "favorites" reveals an intimate world of collaborative homoerotic and sexual desire. These primary source letters which were newly collected involve correspondence between James and George Villiers, duke of Buckingham, passionate, touching, amazing missives that will remove any doubt about James's sexual preferences. His other two "favorites" were Esme Stuart (Lennox) and Robert Carr (Somersett). Bergerson grounds his provocative study on an examination of the tradition of letter writing during the Renaissance and draws a connection between homosexual desire and letter writing that historical period. James's letters to his "favorites" were saturated with same sex innuendo and proposals of marriage--especially to Buckingham. The evidence clearly demonstrates that the king was most definitely homosexually inclined.
    History also records with ample documentation that James was indeed a sadist as many royal personages were during that era. He enjoyed torturing people. When he was the King of Scotland in 1591, he personally supervised the torture of people allegedly involved in witchcraft. He would often suggest new tortures to the examiners.
    One woman, named, Barbara Napier, was acquitted for practicing witchcraft. This acquittal so angered James that he wrote a personal letter to the court on May 10, 1551, ordering a sentence of death, and he had the jury called into custody. To make sure the jury understood his anger about the acquittal and the severity of the offense, he presided at the new hearing, and released them without punishment when they reversed their verdict.

    History also records that James was cowardly; on January 7, 1591, he was in Edinburgh. An entourage followed that included the Duke of Lennox and Lord Hume. They had an argument with the laird of Logie and subsequently pulled their swords. James looked behind, saw the flashing steel, and fled into the nearest refuge which turned out to be a skinners booth. There to his shame, he "fouled his breeches in fear."

    In conclusion, King James was a complex, enigmatic, dastardly individual. However, his major contribution to Christian history was his opposition to Roman authority (The Pope).

    It was James's opinion that only the authority of a king, backed by the unified support of fellow Protestant princes, could realistically challenge the usurped authority of the Pope.

    Therefore, his version of the Bible was, as stated above, a political document designed by way of revised translations > to ensure that the king's reign could not be challenged by Rome or the common people.
    I implore the reader to study "Wide as the Waters The Story of the English Bible and the Revolution It Inspired," by Benson Bobrick to get a complete understanding of how various verses in the King James Bible were changed or deleted from the original texts.

    After reading and studying the aforementioned sources, if people still want and need to believe that the King James Version of the Bible is the "Word of God," then the history and research pertaining to this subject is moot at best and will subsequently go for naught.

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    very good post worth reading for good people all over.
     
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    peace,

    here you go Chucky,

    it was actually much further back in the forum than I thought............
     
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    Peace God, your work is appreciated.
     
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    This is an excellent thread.


    But let me just say that as a Muslim, I don't always agree with bible nor the doctrines of my Christian brothers and sisters, but most of them are still believers in and worshipers of the one God.

    I'll take them in their error over pagans and idolators anyday.
     
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    It is a good thing that the crescent moon and star aren't pagan symbols.
     
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    King James

    History
    In the original King James (correctly, Yaiqab or Jacob) says this: "To the Most High and mighty prince, Jacob; by the grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland; defender of the faith; the translators of the bible with grace, mercy and peace through Jesus Christ our Lord..." ..."For when your Highness had once out of deep judgement apprehended how convenient it was, that out of the Original Sacred Tongue (ancient Hebrew), together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men (Israelite prophets) who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue;"
    Source: King James version 1611


    Flavius Josephus, one of the top Hebrew Israelite scholars outside the bible, has written books concerning the Hebrew Israelite diaspora. In this book:
    Antiquties of the Jews: Book 12; chapter 2 paragrah 4; section (36)-(39)
    "(36)Demetrius to the great king. When thou, O king, gavest me a charge concerning the collection of books that were wanting to fill your library, and concerning the care that ought to be taken about such as are imperfect, I have used the utmost diligence about those matters. And I let you know, that we want the books of the Jewish legislation, with some others; for they are written in the Hebrew characters, and being in the language of that nation, are to us unknown. (37)It hath also happened to them, that they have been transcribed more carelessly than they ought to have been, because they have not had hitherto royal care taken about them.Now it is necessary that thou shouldst have accurate copies of them. And indeed this legislation is full of hidden wisdom, and entirely blameless, as being the legislation of God (Yahawah):(38) for which cause it is, as Hecateus of Abdera says, that the poets and historians make no mentions of it, nor of those men who lead their lives according to it, since it is a holy law, and ought not to be published by profane mouths.(39) If then it please thee, O king, thou mayest write to the high priest of the Jews, to send six of the elders out of every tribe, and those such as are most skillful of the laws, that by their means we may learn the clear and agreeing sense of those books, and may obtain an accurate interpretation of their contents, and so may have a collection of these as may be suitable to thy desire."

    The book of James (in Hebrew- Yaiqab). Scholars pushed James to play down Jacob (Yaiqab) because that was a popular name during the 1600's on down. If scholars had promoted the King Jacob (Israel) bible, it would have terminated the lie that they are teaching concerning the records of the Hebrew Israelites. These records, we know as the bible does not belong to all nations.

    The last letter of the English alphabet that was added is the letter "J"; when? In the 1700's. King James was in the early 1600's and the Israelites were calling themselves after their forefather Yaiqab, including the sovereign King of Scotland at that time. His children after him were known as the Jacobites. The correct saying is King Jacob (Israel) version 1611.

    Scholars put that James is Yaiqab (AKA Jacob).

    Reference:
    1. The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible (edited by: Henry Snyder Gehman, 1944): Defines James as: "[Old French James from Lat. *jacomus from jacobus, from Gr. Iakobos from Iakob for Heb. Yaiqab (Jacob)]

    2. The Encyclopedia Britannica,
    (A new survey of Universal Knowledge)
    Volume 12, Founded in 1768,
    COPYRIGHT 1954
    Defines James as: "a masculine proper name popular in Christian countries as having been that of two of Christ's apostles (a variant of the name Jacob , Heb. Yaiqab, one who holds by the heel, outwitter through Old French James, another form of Jacques, Jaques, from Low Lat. Jacobus). It has been borne by many sovereigns and princes (Example: Yaiqab I, Yaiqab II etc.).

    A second definition of James in the same encyclopedia states: " the name of several persons mentioned in the New Testament (Gr. Iakobos, the Heb. Yaiqab or the book of Jacob.)

    Bibles prior to the King James 1611 Edition:




    John Wycliffe (1475 version)
    Erasmus (1516 version)
    Martin Luther (1532 version)
    William Tyndale (1526 version, 1566 second edition)
    Myles Coverdale (1535 version)
    The Great Bible (1539 version)
    The Geneva Bible (1560 version)
    The Bishops' Bible (1568 version)
     
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    King James I as we know authorized the Bible of the Hebrews be translated into the vernacular of the day, which was Olde English; in it, the laws of God that condemn "homosexuality", effeminacy in men, and "lesbanism" are included with no deviation.

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. -- Book of Leviticus 20:13

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, -- The Book of I Corinthians 6:9

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. -- The book of Romans 1:26-27, 32



    King James
    The VI of Scotland & The I of England
    Unjustly Accused?


    THE NEW BOOK BY: STEPHEN A. COSTON, SR.
    The Latest Evidence Supporting the Godly Character of the Most High and Mighty Prince James By the Grace of God, King of England, Scotland, France, Ireland, Wales, Defender of the Faith, and Renowned Christian King.



    The Monarch
    The Myth & His Maligners
    "You've Heard James' Critics, Now Read the Truth!"

    FACT:

    James wrote in his work Basilicon Doron that:

    "There are some horrible crimes that ye are bound in conscience never to forgive: such as witchcraft, willful murder, incest, and sodomy."

    There is no recorded objective documentation that King James ever practiced or promoted sodomy, the historical record only knows of King James' heterosexuality and condemnation of sodomy.

    FICTION:

    "There are a number of recorded statements in which James justified homosexuality/sodomy...King James was a homosexual monarch."

    FACT:

    King James condemned "soft delicacies" in a man more than once:

    "But especially eschew to be effeminate in your clothes, in perfuming, preening, or such like...and make not a fool of yourself in diguising or wearing long your hair or nails, which are but excrements of nature...Guard against corrupt leide and effeminate ones."

    The King also condemned "female transvestism" by instructing the clergy by royal order and express commandment to inveigh vehemently in their sermons against the faddish practice.

    FICTION:

    James was effeminate and encouraged his favorites to also be effeminate.

    FACT:

    King James wrote to his wife Queen Anne:

    "I thank God I carry that love and respect unto you which by the law of God and nature, I ought to do to my wife and mother of my children...for the respect of your honorable birth and decent I married you but the love and respect I now bear you for that ye are my married wife and so partaker of my honor...God as my witness ever I preferred you to all my bairns much more than any subject (signed) Your Own, James Rex."

    King James also wrote love poetry to his wife and in addition to this James also wrote of Anne:

    "...if it were possible for me to love her better than ever I did before it were my part to do it."

    After her death, James wrote, "She was an excellent wife to us...she has left a great longing for her." The Mighty King James had 8 children with his wife Queen Anne.

    FICTION:

    King James did not love his wife, disliked the institution of marriage and women in general.

    All this and more is documented in King James VI of Scotland & I of England -Unjustly Accused? Read for yourself the actual facts surrounding the life and character of King James VI & I. The contemporary and modern critics are put into proper perspective and the real life of this much misunderstood monarch is clearly brought to light. This full length historical work makes it evident that the facts are at odds with the fiction. Ben Johnson's comments made in James' own time are timely and applicable even today:

    "And there must go much more to the make of a guilty man than rumor."


    The court is now in session, read for yourself what has been hidden on the shelves of libraries around the world and which will now travel through the reaches of time to vanquish ignorance and repression of the Godly character of one of the most famous and learned princes of the Jacobean world - King James VI & I.
     
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    The rumors, and writings that King James I was "homosexual" were a smear campaign ("assasinaton of character".) started by Jesuit agents in England.

    The Jesuits

    ...and the historical record leaves no doubt of Jesuit success on bolstering the spiritual as well as the materiel credit of Catholicism in these critical days of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Jesuits were everywhere, in Hungary, in Poland, in England, in Holland, trying to win back lost lands and peoples from Protestants. --A History of Civilization Volume One Third Edition 1955, 1960, 1967 by Prentice Hall, Inc.

    Oliver Cromwell was a Roman Cathloic Jesuit agent, who overthrew the son of King James I -- King Charles I, who was beheaded.

    The Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Church were engaged in overt and covert wars during this era.

    The books which have been published since consist of Roman Catholic propaganda, initiated by white European Illuminati families during the Victorian Age, because of their hatred of God, and hatred towards the Bible of the Hebrews.
     
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    Authentic image of King James I of England.

    Authentic image of King James I of England.

    http://www.geocities.com/judahitewarrior/james.jpg
    JAMES I IN OLD AGE
    From an engraving by Simon van de Passe in the Print Room of the British Museum

    The truth that has been hidden concerning ancient European history is that black men and women at one time ruled as kings and queens during the time known as Christiandom, the Byzantine Empire, and the early Holy Roman Empire. It all started with a black man named Septimus Severus in the year 193 a.d., and lasted in many parts of Europe as recent as the 17th century. King James I of England was a man of color, and would be considered a so-called black person by todays standards. I personally have seen a so-called black man in Harlem with the same facial features as that King James picture, the same "sleepy" oval eyes, similar nose, and "frizzy" hair, with the same skin complexion as Percy Sutton.I suppose if a layman were to look at a black and white picture of a man that looked like Mr. Percy Sutton from the 17th century they would simply dismiss it as a white European man as well. But yes, King James WAS a European man, though what many have not been taught or have yet to discover in their studies concerning true black European history (which is vast.) is that there were men of color in Euope during this time period, and they were royalty. There has been research done which has revelaed that there were black families in Scotland, where the Stewart family (King James' family) hailed from, and that can be read in the book "Ancient and Modern Britons" by Dave MacRitchie to be further educated to this fact.

    Other books:

    * Nature Knows No Color Line by J.A. Rogers (in this book he brings out the royal crests of the royal black families of Europe, and of England, who were called the Moors of Yorkshire.)

    * Origin of the Anglo-Saxon Race, A Study of the Settlement of Brtain by the Olde English People. (this book details the ancient history of the darker inhabitants of the British isles, Germany, etc.)

    * The Black Diaspora: Colonization of Colored People. Jones, Edward. Edward Lynne Jones and Associates, 1989 (this book highlights, among other things, the royalty of color during 17th, 18th century England.)


    King James I had a son named King Charles II, who was described as being "swarthy", it is a word that means BLACK or DARK SKINNED.

    "Pubs across England called The Black Boy are named after Charles. It was his mother's name for him because of his dark skin and eyes."

    King James I authorized the Bible be translated in the vernacular of the time which was English, in it, the only description of God the Father is given, in the book of Daniel, and the "hair of Gods head" is described as being PURE WOOL. In old Oxford dictionaries 'wool' was associated with "negroes hair".
     
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