Black People : The Art of not listening.

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  1. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

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    One of the things I love about youtube is they have all these old videos.. This
    one is like a textbook example of how not to have a conversation.. or how to
    have a conversation without listening at all. A couple of folks are listening
    are responding to what is said, but the rest are just waiting to speak.. The topic
    is so provocative that it's hard for folks to step outside of it and just observe
    how they are interacting.. it's really unhealthy... you see a lot of this same
    type of thing online.. a person takes a position and is determined to stick
    with it, not matter what new information they receive..

     
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    I agree. Many people on panel discussions such as this do more talking than listening. It is a provocative (and age old) conversation they were having. I was actually tempted to respond to their discussion, but I didn't want to disrespect your thread by turning it into a discussion about ebonics. :em2700:
     
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    creativegirl.. (I like your name..)

    it's hard aint it? to step back and observe without getting pulled in..
    especially, when it's something provocative like this.. but I think it's a skill
    worth developing.. worth practicing.. cause it helps keep everything in
    context.. it lets you see overall.. and puts a spot light on the contradictions..

    I thought Joe Clark was funny.. like he looked in the dictionary for some words
    to make him sound educated.. and I know he is educated.. but it shines a
    light on the degree to which he feels it's necessary to appear to be
    educated.. and that colors his words.. so next time he talks we add that to
    our interpretation of what he meant by what he said..

    The linguistics expert was almost completely ignored.. the host had her
    opinion and that was that.. reminds me of our extended-family meetings..
     
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    It's Not often people can move back listen and take notes , understand what they just heard
    beside what they think or feel from there view is the correct way , often they don't even hear
    the new imformation being delivered.
     
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    I know what you mean.. as soon as I realize the other person isn't listening,
    I just stop talking.. mid-sentence.. that's it, that's all.. I'm no fan of futility.

    on the other hand, it's refreshing to have a discussion with someone that actively
    listens and thinks and adapts and applies new conclusions on the spot.. I have
    a couple of friends like that.. and our conversations last hours and hours..​
     
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    Well, I got a whole different take than what you saw/heard/interpreted.

    First I must say, the context of the title and opening comments caused me to acknowledge my experiences of being ignored, especially because of the FACT, that I went to school and learned those words with an eye towards being responsible for myself, family and community. I'd gain knowledge and by default, power, the power to teach others which was also part of the deal. To give back to the community, as a Black person. Sooooo.....

    I listened to the video and this is what I saw and heard....

    Joe Clark was BLACKTASTICALLY poignant and on point with some Truths I have come to know. He did use a couple of words with ease I might add, that motivates me to look up...you know, study...think...
    Also, I heard him cussing folk out in the "dignified" ways we are taught is acceptable. I was not sure and still am not, who he is exactly speaking to/about, I did not hear what the resolution was.

    The host gave lot of time to Cook seems rightfully so yet, I was not clear still on what exactly oakland intends to do, how they are using the obvious, different dialectical and linguistic styles working to communicate while doing so in a foreign language.
    I also thought the host did a good job with bringing folk in and out and it would have been good to hear this to the end. I trust the panel discussion went on for at least an hour. We got just a almost 10 min. clip.

    As to the linguist. I thought she was struggling to get in her groove. Seems maybe they (Joe) was attacking her research based presentation of the problem and potential solutions. I liked the way she opened acknowledging the connections between Joe and Toni and the fact that what they are both suggesting is exactly what is supposed to happen in school anyway...:10500:
    She did seem nervous and was stumbling a bit early on and I was getting like..."what the heck is she talking about"..yet she was becoming clearer and more solid in presenting what she knows.

    Thanks for Sharing and listening to...

    M.E.
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    Actually this is a case study of what I don't like to comment on other folks takes after the fact and mine would've been much different from yours then too...

    I. e., if one approaches it all with an open mind and a kind heart, etc., it is easy to know and understand these sisters on the video make a lot of sense, while those 'brothers' who ranted and raved for or against the same approach elsewhere just made a lot of noise...

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    Bad english is the least of our concerns and worries these days...

    I. e., get your minds around the lyrics of most gangsta rap cuts, etc., and some folks deeds reflect their words...

    And--I doubt that anybody-- on either side of the 'ebonics' debate-- would condone (probably do condemn) crap-- like that!

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    excuse me? Can you repeat that.

    And help me understand the connections to what I've said.

    thank you:SuN030::rain:


    M.E.
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