Black Astrology : *THE AGE OF AQUARIUS*

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

... I would like to address your other statement regarding the Urim and Thummin your comment "critical element, the practices of Urim and Thummin, is not given any weight in your rebuttal, as it should have been considered. Truthhitmans comment " actually the Urim and Thummin have "NOTHING" to do with astrology nor astronomy your comment lets me know that you do not understand the ancient Hebrew culture, specially if you think it was used like a crystal ball for magic or hocus pocus This is how the Urim and thummin was used Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III - 8 -9 Urim and Thummin The high priest's breastplate, called the "breast-plate of decision" ...

Again, sacred astronomy became modern astrology, and the Mazzaroth points us in the direction of that transition, TruthHitman.

But more importantly, your understanding of Urim and Thummin, in connection with the Breastplate, is superficial at best. The breastplate consisted of 12 colorful stones related to the 12 constellations, and birthstones of the twelve tribes. In addition, we find continual judgment for the Children of Israel within that arrangement of the epod:


Exodus 28:17-21 King James Version (KJV)

17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.



Exodus 28:30 King James Version (KJV)

30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the Lord: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the Lord continually.

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[TruthHitman]

Again, sacred astronomy became modern astrology, and the Mazzaroth points us in the direction of that transition, TruthHitman.

But more importantly, your understanding of Urim and Thummin, in connection with the Breastplate, is superficial at best. The breastplate consisted of 12 colorful stones related to the 12 constellations, and birthstones of the twelve tribes. In addition, we find continual judgment for the Children of Israel within that arrangement of the epod:


Exodus 28:17-21 King James Version (KJV)

17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.



Exodus 28:30 King James Version (KJV)

30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the Lord: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the Lord continually.

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Shalam! Well I will address you once again because I can see that U like UBnaturally make statements and accusations not based on any real truth so I will show you through a "Real" Hebrews eyes Josephus Hebrew priest he would know if the 12 stones were used to represent the 12 constellations or 12 months

This is your comment right Clyde "The breastplate consisted of 12 colorful stones related to the 12 constellations, and birthstones of the twelve tribes"

That's DEAD WRONG! The 12 stones represent only one understanding they represent the 12 sons of Jacob that's it. This Info is From a Hebrew Priest Josephus

Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III chp 7

1. "Twelve stones also there were upon the breast-plate, extraordinary in largeness and beauty; and they were an ornament not to be purchased by men, because of their immense value"-----Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III chp 7

2. "Now the names of all those sons of Jacob were engraven in these stones, whom we esteem the heads of our tribes, each stone having the honor of a name, in the order according to which they were born"---------Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III chp 7

See Clyde the stones "Do Not represent any special constellation order nor does it represent the 12 months of the year.

Sons of Jacob birth Order

Reuben -sardonyx
Simeon -topaz
Levi - emerald
Judah -carbuncle
Dan - jasper
Naphtali -sapphire
Gad - ligure
Asher - amethyst
Issachar - agate
Zebulun - chrysolite
Joseph - onyx
Benjamin - beryl

Here is more from Josephus he even talks about "YOUR" Greek zodiac

"And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months, or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the Zodiac, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning."------------Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III chp 7

Interesting huh! he said that the Hebrews "DID NOT USE" the 12 stones to represent no zodiac nor 12 months

So in the time of Josephus the people from other nations assumed when they saw the Hebrew Priest and the 12 stones on the breast Plate without asking started assuming it represented the 12 constellations or 12 months.

So my brotha Clyde I have officially proven from the Hebrew records themselves that they "Did Not Use the 12 stones on the breast plate for any other thing except to represent the 12 Sons of Jacob

the Hebrews are considered "PRECIOUS STONES" here are scriptures to prove it:

Israel precious stone

Lamentations 4-2,7
2 The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!
7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

SHALAM!

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

"And for the twelve stones, whether we understand by them the months, or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the Zodiac, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning."------------Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III chp 7

... Josephus Hebrew priest he would know if the 12 stones were used to represent the 12 constellations or 12 months

... The 12 stones represent only one understanding they represent the 12 sons of Jacob that's it. This Info is From a Hebrew Priest Josephus

... See Clyde the stones "Do Not represent any special constellation order nor does it represent the 12 months of the year.

... he said that the Hebrews "DID NOT USE" the 12 stones to represent no zodiac nor 12 months

... So my brotha Clyde I have officially proven from the Hebrew records themselves that they "Did Not Use the 12 stones on the breast plate for any other thing except to represent the 12 Sons of Jacob

Again, and for the third time, you've demonstrated a serious aberration in understanding my posts and my position on the facts.

Based on all of the above statements, except the one I've highlighted in red, which indirectly supports the crux of my argument; said statements strongly indicate a failure on your part to comprehend clear and succinct statements I've made, throughout this discussion. Let me repeat the crux of my premise again and below:

• Again, sacred astronomy became modern astrology, and the Mazzaroth points us in the direction of that transition, TruthHitman.

• Here's what we know TruthHitman, there is conflation between the terms Mazzaroth (Zodiac) and Astrology (Modern); their juxtaposition makes it hard to draw a sharp dichotomy as you've done, between the two. One deals with planetary influences upon the earth, and the other with those same influences upon humanity.

Nowhere in the statements above will you find me saying the early biblical Hebrews used Astrology, as you pointedly suggest. The statements above show that the many parallels found in sacred astronomy and modern astrology, allowed those that did choose to transitioned from sacred astronomy to modern astrology, a clear pathway.

My understanding of the facts preclude me from making the mistake you've made throughout this discussion, which is to strike a clean dichotomy between sacred astronomy and modern astrology. Your argument of the two(2) being mutually exclusive is therefore invalid, unfounded and non-supported by the factual evidences presented in my posts.

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[TruthHitman]

Again, and for the third time, you've demonstrated a serious aberration in understanding my posts and my position on the facts.

Based on all of the above statements, except the one I've highlighted in red, which indirectly supports the crux of my argument; said statements strongly indicate a failure on your part to comprehend clear and succinct statements I've made, throughout this discussion. Let me repeat the crux of my premise again and below:

• Again, sacred astronomy became modern astrology, and the Mazzaroth points us in the direction of that transition, TruthHitman.

• Here's what we know TruthHitman, there is conflation between the terms Mazzaroth (Zodiac) and Astrology (Modern); their juxtaposition makes it hard to draw a sharp dichotomy as you've done, between the two. One deals with planetary influences upon the earth, and the other with those same influences upon humanity.

Nowhere in the statements above will you find me saying the early biblical Hebrews used Astrology, as you pointedly suggest. The statements above show that the many parallels found in sacred astronomy and modern astrology, allowed those that did choose to transitioned from sacred astronomy to modern astrology, a clear pathway.

My understanding of the facts preclude me from making the mistake you've made throughout this discussion, which is to strike a clean dichotomy between sacred astronomy and modern astrology. Your argument of the two(2) being mutually exclusive is therefore invalid, unfounded and non-supported by the factual evidences presented in my posts.

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First I will make a quote from the book The Astronomy of the Bible - The Original Classic Edition By Maunder E

"There is "NO" sufficient evidence that each of the sons of Jacob had a zodiacal figure for his coat of arms nor even that the tribes deriving their names from them were so furnished"------The Astronomy of the Bible - The Original Classic Edition By Maunder E

Second The word Mazzaroth is Yiddish not Hebrew so that info alone
destroys your claim that ancient BLACK HEBREW used some stupid
insignificant Zodiac only the modern day Khazar White Rabbis use this Talmud, Cabala, Crap Here study this:

In Yiddish, the term mazalot came to be used in the sense of "astrology" in general, surviving in the expression "mazel tov," meaning "good luck.------ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Third Why are you blatantly "LYING" "dodging" the obvious truth and why did you skip the part when Josephus told you BLATANTLY what they were used for.

Did not Josephus say and I quote "Now the names of all those sons of Jacob were engraven in these stones, whom we esteem the heads of our tribes, each stone having the honor of a name, in the order according to which they were born"

Specially this part "each stone having the honor of a name, in the order according to which they were born"

why did you skip this part I know why because it "EXPOSES YOUR LIE"

Common sense says if the 12 stones were used to represent constellations Like you personally claim, then why did Josephus not mention it, its not mentioned cause it was not used for that reason

fourth you said that Josephus " indirectly supports the crux of my argument"

BULL he said that the Hebrews knew what the stones were used for and he said nothing about these stones being used for any "astrology' nor "astronomy"

Man get off that Freemason garbage!

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

First I will make a quote from the book The Astronomy of the Bible - The Original Classic Edition By Maunder E ...

No, what you have obligation to do first, is to address all facets of my post, TruthHitman, not to just submit additional information beyond what we've presented already. We have enough redundant sources, please cease and desist adding-on.

If you are truly reading my posts, then address the total context of what you see below highlighted in bold and underscored. For convenience only, here are my words again:



Again, and for the third time, you've demonstrated a serious aberration in understanding my posts and my position on the facts.

Based on all of the above statements, except the one I've highlighted in red, which indirectly supports the crux of my argument; said statements strongly indicate a failure on your part to comprehend clear and succinct statements I've made, throughout this discussion. Let me repeat the crux of my premise again and below:

• Again, sacred astronomy became modern astrology, and the Mazzaroth points us in the direction of that transition, TruthHitman.

• Here's what we know TruthHitman, there is conflation between the terms Mazzaroth (Zodiac) and Astrology (Modern); their juxtaposition makes it hard to draw a sharp dichotomy as you've done, between the two. One deals with planetary influences upon the earth, and the other with those same influences upon humanity.

Nowwhere in the statements above will you find me saying the early biblical Hebrews used Astrology, as you pointedly suggest. The statements above show that the many parallels found in sacred astronomy and modern astrology, allowed those that did choose to transitioned from sacred astronomy to modern astrology, a clear pathway.

My understanding of the facts preclude me from making the mistake you've made throughout this discussion, which is to strike a clean dichotomy between sacred astronomy and modern astrology. Your argument of the two(2) being mutually exclusive is therefore invalid, unfounded and non-supported by the factual evidences presented in my posts.



Thank You

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