- Nov 17, 2006
... I would like to address your other statement regarding the Urim and Thummin your comment "critical element, the practices of Urim and Thummin, is not given any weight in your rebuttal, as it should have been considered. Truthhitmans comment " actually the Urim and Thummin have "NOTHING" to do with astrology nor astronomy your comment lets me know that you do not understand the ancient Hebrew culture, specially if you think it was used like a crystal ball for magic or hocus pocus This is how the Urim and thummin was used Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book III - 8 -9 Urim and Thummin The high priest's breastplate, called the "breast-plate of decision" ...
Again, sacred astronomy became modern astrology, and the Mazzaroth points us in the direction of that transition, TruthHitman.
But more importantly, your understanding of Urim and Thummin, in connection with the Breastplate, is superficial at best. The breastplate consisted of 12 colorful stones related to the 12 constellations, and birthstones of the twelve tribes. In addition, we find continual judgment for the Children of Israel within that arrangement of the epod:
Exodus 28:17-21 King James Version (KJV)
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.
Exodus 28:30 King James Version (KJV)
30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the Lord: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the Lord continually.