Black People : the 7th generation philosophy

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  1. Blackbird

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    Many First Nations people have a belief that whatever they do impacts their people up to the 7th generation. In my house, we say that in order to establish a strong link with your ancestors, one must be able to recall at least 7 generations.

    Question: What have you done, currently doing or plan to do that will consider up to the 7th generation?

    I think we do things arbitarily and in many cases reactionary. One can not design a plan based on reaction.

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    Get rich, and pass on my secrets of wealth.
     
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    and if the last 7 generations ancestors produced war and hatred then what?

    get rich or die trying is what it sounds like....

    nuff respect
     
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    I'm sorry I'm not following you.

    When we have ancestors that lived less than honorable lives, we have ways to elevate their energy and channel it into something that's beneficial to us.

    Now for most African descended people in America our ancestors were enslaved since at least the 7th generation so the prospect of war and even hatred if the context most used is not something we, on a whole scale, should be concerned with.

    My Comanche ancestors were warriors and fought many wars with neighboring First Nation people, the Spanish, the Mexicans, the Texans and the Americans. Their warrior blood flows through my veins and I constantly have dreams of suiting up and riding into battle amidst of spirit warriors. This dream usually comes right before I have some physical challenge to undertake and my ancestors, in their martial spirit, come to my aid.

    This thread was started to explore how having such a concept of the 7th generation could benefit Black people and give us more direction in our planning and decisions.

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    It could give us a lot of direction in our planning and decision-making. It would force us to make wiser decisions, and it was also bring patience to a "I want it right now" American society.
     
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    I have traced my patrilineal ancestry back to africa and matrilineal back to the native american people. It is not 7 generations but more like 3-5. I will be getting a DNA test to determine the exact ethic group in africa,then I have to convince moms to get one so that I know the exact ethnic group of native peoples.
     
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    Hey doc... what's happening...

    That's fine bruh man. The 7th generation philosophy is okay if only you go forward. Start making decisions and plans that will affect up to the 7th generation of your family or people.

    I'm thinking about taking the gene test out of curiosity. Of course, I'm sure my genes will come back Apache and not Comanche, god forbid. Then I would hang myself. No offense to anybody with Apache ancestry, but we all know Comanche blood is better.

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    Halito and Osiyo, Blackbird...

    And, yes, I know and understand all too well what is expected of the seventh generation among some indigenous folk, in the Americas:

    I don't claim to know beforehand if that was and is true of my and your and our folk among the peoples who continue to live on the African continent?

    Then, too, since the continuing conflicts etc. which some folk like us have to cope and deal with, via today's now mixed race indigenous peoples on this one continent, which only a handful regularly write or talk about-- and/or others refuse to do anything to resolve, we also have issues and problems among our folk on this continent I need and I want to discuss and debate with your about as well...

    Anyway my take on this subject etc.

    FYI...

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    In all due candor and honesty as well as mutual respect:

    I feel and think you should take the time etc. to explain to non-indigneous identified folk here exactly what the prophecy of the seventh generation is and what it is meant to bring about for those indigenous folk who choose to fulfill it...

    Even my intepretation might be different from yours:

    So I would benefit from hearing and reading yourse as well...

    FYI...
     
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    Tswé:ʔn Chuck,

    This is the little I know from what was told to me by my maternal great unk. It comes from the Haudenosaunee. My maternal great grandfather was a member of the Longhouse. Uncle Richard told me it was said that after 7 generations of living among the whites and after many years of loss, tragedy and sorrow, a new generation would rise up to renew the covenant and restore the Longhouse. This generation would be fearless and brave, demanding to the whites what is rightfully theirs and what should not be adulterated.

    Some elders have used the Dawes Act of 1887 as the starting point of living among the whites. I take the stance more symbolic than literal, in the fact that I see the 7th generation already moving, beginning with the American Indian Movement, and still evident by the traditionalists and warrior societies sprouting up among the Kanienkehaka (People of the Flint - Mohawk people of the Haudenosaunee). I see us as the 7th generation and those after us. Our elders did well with what they had - nurturing us, striving to keep as many of the old ways alive as possible and just keeping that heartbeat going.

    Here's where it gets a little personal now. My family, like most Haudenosaunee influenced families, place big stock on dreams. As a child, one of the first things we would do upon waking was every family member would recite their dreams. Then other members would attempt to determine if a message was involved and try to decipher them. We say if you dream of a deceased person, that means its going to rain. We would never tell, however, our dreams before sunrise for fear if it was an unwanted dream that doing so would make it come true. So here is my dream(s).

    I walked inside the longhouse of a Turtle clan mother. Sitting around this clan mother were little children and when she saw me she invited me to sit down among them. She was also fixing corn soup to serve us. She told the children "look here is one that is of us, but not one of us." She talked about the migrations the Skarure had endured and the different cultural heroes. Then she grew grave and said, "Soon the time comes, my little ones, when we old eyes must only watch. You must act - you must do - you must build the sticks. I have fetched the wood for you. You have good cedar, but most importantly you have the pine. Listen to Father Pine and learn his message." Afterwards she served us corn soup, which she cooked the traditional way. My mind shot and I saw Skarure warriors peering behind mountains, looking down on captive Skarure people about to be sent to slavery. They were waiting for their time to strike... which I never saw.

    On another occasion, I saw hooves and painted legs of galloping horses, dust kicking up in their trail. I saw lances and rifles, bullhide shields and quivers... They were rushing to fight white cavalry men camped underneath a grove of trees. These were ghost warriors rushing in, my people and my heart swelled up with pride. The message I was getting is that the fight was not over. The war still rages. These were my people, Numunuu warriors.... The 7th generation.

    Tuhwi
     
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