Black People : Teaching the young.. South Carolina 1860.

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    I try to imagine what's going on with the preacher.. this is 1860.. I'm trying
    to imagine the frustration and the re-channeling of anger into what appeared
    to be religious fervor.. the coded talk.. the true context for the subversion of
    language.. how to mean something different than what you said.. as a means
    of survival.. singing what my mother calls "slave songs" meaning songs that
    did not mean what the words said..​
     
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    I wonder what kind of energy could you put to a song sang the sunday
    after a loved one was lynched.. or sold. What kind of sound would a
    mother make when she returned from the fields and found her boy had
    been taken away.. lost as the wager in a bet between men.

    What would Amazing Grace sound like, in that context? How low would
    Swing Low Sweet Chariot swing... and if you heard it.. the pain.. would
    you mistake it for conviction?

    When else could this Enslaved African Man raise his voice and sound a
    note of authority? When else could he stand up in front of his son and
    his Wife and apply his manhood? Where else could he talk strongly with
    fire in his eyes, with passion in his voice.. And if you heard it would you
    mistake it for conviction? When he shouted "Lord" was he talking about God,
    or was he just putting his strength behind one of the only unasailable
    words available to him.




     
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    what qas Nat Turner's vocation?
     
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    had to have something to do with church.. they didn't have the
    NBA yet.. I just read a narrative that associated him with the
    methodist church.. I don't know that much about Nat Turner.. he
    seemed to be a much bigger deal to white folks than he was to me..
    It seemed natural to me that an enslaved African man would want
    to cut up the folks that responsible for the condition of his people.

    I'm going to read some more about him though, since he comes up
    a lot.. I'm sure my son will ask me one day.. he asks about everything
    else..
     
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    Our people was clever and passed down hope and a plan. That was all they had. Excellent thread topic. As I study slavery , you have to understand the slave songs.

    Go down , Moses

    Go Down, Moses recalls the Biblical story of the Hebrews held in bondage in Egypt.

    The Hebrews' escape from bondage and Daniel's refusal to "bow down to men" -- gives a pro-freedom subtext.
    Go Down, Moses
    Traditional spiritual
    When Israel was in Egypt's land,
    Let my people go!
    Oppressed so hard they could not stand,
    Let my people go!

    Chorus:

    Go down, Moses,
    Way down in Egypt's land.
    Tell old Pharaoh
    To let my people go!

    "Thus spoke the Lord," bold Moses said
    "Let my people go!
    If not, I'll smite your firstborn dead.
    Let my people go!"

    "No more shall they in bondage toil...
    Let them come out with Egypt's spoil...

    The Lord told Moses what to do...
    To lead the Hebrew children through...

    O come along Moses, you'll not get lost...
    Stretch out your rod and come across.

    As Israel stood by the water side...
    At God's command it did divide...

    When they reached the other shore...
    They sang a song of triumph o'er...

    Pharaoh said he'd go across...
    But Pharaoh and his host were lost...

    O let us all from bondage flee...
    And let us all in Christ be free...

    You need not always weep and mourn...
    And wear these slav'ry chains forlorn...

    Your foes shall not before you stand...
    And you'll possess fair Canaan's land.

    btw; First slavery songs kills the noton that christianity we introduced to black slaves in America. Christianity was already in practice in Africa way before the atlanta slave trade.


    **smile** Nice Peace bro


     
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    Something that we will never know. From what I gathered they were prepared, as best you can be. It took a toll mentally I am sure. To what extent ?? :10500:

    As many slaves killed their babies.. and many even themselves. Sound barbaric ?? But was it ?? To have a mother or father that loved there children so , As not to see them suffering in chains . Where as dealth was there only way to freedom as most thought , also protrayed in another slave song.

    Steal away

    Steal Away



    Steal away, steal away,
    Steal away to Jesus!
    Steal away, steal away home,
    I ain't got long to stay here.

    Or the song : Freedom

    Freedom
    Anonymous
    O freedom, O freedom,
    O freedom after a while,
    And before I'd be a slave, I'd be buried in my grave,
    And go home to my Lord and be free.

    There'll be no more moaning, no more moaning,
    No more moaning after a while ...

    No more weeping, no more crying,
    No more weeping after a while ...

    There'll be no more kneeling, no more bowing,
    No more kneeling after a while ...

    There'll be shouting, there'll be shouting,
    There'll be shouting after a while ...


    Slaves songs with their double meaning gives us a glimpse of what they were actually feeling and How they survived .

     
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    John Brown's Body (Variant)


    John Brown died on the scaffold for the slave,
    Dark was the hour when we dug his hallowed grave;
    Now God avenges the life he gladly gave,
    Freedom reigns to-day!


    Glory, glory, hallelujah!
    Glory, glory, hallelujah!
    Glory, glory, hallelujah!
    Freedom reigns to-day!



    John Brown sowed, and the harvesters are we;
    Honor to him who has made the bondmen free;
    Loved evermore shall our noble ruler be,
    Freedom reigns to-day!

    John Brown's body lies mouldering in the grave;
    Bright o'er the sod let the starry banner wave;
    Lo! for the million he periled all to save,
    Freedom reigns to-day!

    John Brown's soul through the world is marching on;
    Hail to the hour when oppression shall be gone;
    All men will sing in the better day's dawn,
    Freedom reigns to-day!

    John Brown dwells where the battle strife is o'er;
    Hate cannot harm him, nor sorrow stir him more;
    Earth will remember the martyrdom he bore,
    Freedom reigns to-day!

    John Brown's body lies mouldering in the grave;
    John Brown lives in the triumph of the brave;
    John Brown's soul not a higher
     
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    thankz for these freedom songs
     
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    had to have something to do with church.. they didn't have the
    NBA yet.. I just read a narrative that associated him with the
    methodist church.. I don't know that much about Nat Turner.. he
    seemed to be a much bigger deal to white folks than he was to me..
    It seemed natural to me that an enslaved African man would want
    to cut up the folks that responsible for the condition of his people.

    I'm going to read some more about him though, since he comes up
    a lot.. I'm sure my son will ask me one day.. he asks about everything
    else..




    Fred Hampton meant more to white folks too cause more whites feared him then Blacks supported him

    He was a minister,

    next what is your knowledge of the African Coptic Christian warlords who battled and slaughtered Arab slave traders in the surounding nations of Abbysinia, from the 14th to the 16th century?
     
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