Black Spirituality Religion : TALES FROM A SANGOMA (zulu spiritual leader)

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  1. I-khan

    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I am not taking this data and posting it for the sake of being posted...in his books he does mention how he needs Afrikans all over to get this data so here is a portion....


    (note:the following is a selections of what was presented in these books:

    Song of the Stars: The Lore of a Zulu Shaman
    http://www.amazon.com/Song-Stars-Lo...ef=sr_1_1/104-3910896-1990324?ie=UTF8&s=books

    Zulu Shaman: Dreams, Prophecies, and Mysteries
    http://www.amazon.com/Zulu-Shaman-P...ef=sr_1_2/104-3910896-1990324?ie=UTF8&s=books



    Prophecies:

    pg.177,paragraph3

    But a prophet can and does predict with remarkable accuracy the coming of something which could endanger the well being of people and their safety,or change their lives. One of the reasones why I have abandonded my practice of healing people full time and have taken to going through South Africa trying to build plaveswhere the culture and religion of our people might be preserved,is that I am frightened by a number of preditioncs that have been made by other healers as well as myself.

    selections from pg177-179

    There have been many great prophets in Africa. One was Nsikane,the great prophet of what today is Transkei,who foresaw not only the coming of the white people but also the coming of Christianity to South Afrika.He also foresaw things like the telephone.He sad that one day people would communicate with each other through a wire such as the wives of the chief wear around their necks for an ornament.He foresaw the coming of airplanes.He said that birds made out of steel would fly from land to land. Even more astonishingly, he foresaw television.He said that one day men will sit and look at and talk with and image of a man who had died many generations before.(May I say that he could have foreseen the hologram because that is just what it will do.It will preserve the three dimensional images of people,and a person might be able to sit with the image of a parent or a grandparent,even after death,in this manner.)

    There was a great prophet named Pindamulili of the Bachioko nation of Angola.Pindamulili foretold the pollution of the world.He said that a thousand years after his death,men would practice what is called forbidden knowledge,and as a result of this forbidden knowledge ,the skies would become dark,the vegetation die,the animals vanish,leaving only a few survivors.And then the people,out of fear and shame for what they have done,would tunnel underground regions of the Earth and there build there cities and villages as refugees from the terrible catastophe they caused on the surface of the Earth.The prophecy says that a beautifull girl shall appear who will be accompanied by a gryphon,a creature half-lion and half-eagle.This girl shall make use of an iron god to build a city in the center of Afrika,where she shall keep the last remaining wild animals,the few surviving domestic animals.and the few surviving people,because,by that thime there would be no rivers in Afrikan at all, but a huge desert where nothing lives at all.

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    Murire (or Muwari) was a wise man who lived in a cave in the land now know as Zimbabwe at the time when the English adventurers and colonists were streaming into that part of Afrika.Murire was the last of the god-kings.He was the High Sanusi, made many prophecies.

    One was that dragons made out of wood and iron would carry people from place to place:another was that one day eagles of steel and and vultures of iron would fly through the air.

    (....)

    And then Murire prophesised that there would be four great wars. He prophesised the Ango-boer war of 1899-1902.He prophesized with great accuracy the first World War, 1914-1918,and with uncanny accuracy he prophesised the World War of 1939-1945;and he actually named the ruler 'Massolina" who would be one of the rulers involved in that great conflict; but he did not name Hitler,only 'Massolina'.


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    Everybody has heard of King Shaka of the Zulus and that he was a great warrior.But what people do not know is that Shaka was also a great prophet.On several occasions in his life he made astonishing prophesies that have since come true.
    He said that after his death,the descendants of the Zulu Nation would be awakened by the ringing of a gong and that there would be great animals with burning eyes that woudl travel at great speed along strange roads.

    With his dying breath he aske his brothers,after they had stabbed him, "Why are you killing me my brothers? Do you think that by killing me you shall take this country of the Zulu and rule it?OH NO!! The white swallows, the white men who build their huts out of wood shall take the country and rule it and you shall be as nothing in the land of your forefathers!!
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    pg 187 which was made during the fall of 1994

    The present president of the U.S. could be brought down by a woman.She wont rule America but she could cause great trouble in the year 1996......

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    ^^^in other words Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton...

    'Nostradamus' is starting to look very over rated......................
     
  2. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Thanks again!
     
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    Great post...thanks!
     
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    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    'primordial waters'.....

    excerpt from Chpt 2 in Zulu Shaman: Dreams, Prophecies, and Mysteries


    In the beginning nothing existed but the Fertile Darkness,floating on the invisible River of Time. There was no sun,there were no stars,nor the light of the moon; no earth,no place to stand, no vegetation,no waters,no roaring ocean, no brooks or rivers, no animals ,no people.

    But there was a trouble, a stirring in the darkness, a desire arose in the River of Time ,a desire for something, for the Fertile Darkness to give birth to something out of nothing. It was a strange mating, between Time and Nothing, but from it came one tiny spark of Living Fire.

    And the Living Fire was conciousness; it began to know things; and it knew it was alone in the darkness, and its loneliness was like that of every infant whose mother has been taken away; it was like a tiny firefly lost in the caverns beneath the Earth.It was the first Great Loneliness, and all creatures since then share a little in that loneliness, the one that emerges when a conciousness sees itself alone in the vastness of everything. It is the part in us that cringes in the dark when the lions and the hyenas howl beyond the tiny village compound. It is the part in us that shivers when it sees the vast blackness between the stars.

    .....to be cont.
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

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    I definitely need to order this next weekK!
     
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    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    from this point on I shall only continue if requested since I am not sure if everyone (or those who care) would want to read the book on their own or rely on others for the data...but here is a protion of the rest of the creation story.......I also recently ordered and AUDIO CD WITH TRADITONAL ZULU MUSIC done by the Sangoma featured here and will play it in the chat it...if I can figure this out...


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    "I am" the spark wailed " I AM"!In its fury and loneliness,it fed upon the Nothing and the Fertile Darkness, and so it began to grow, and it grew into a light , shining in the darkness, and then a great blaze. Nothingness felt this Something, and did not like it, for Something negates Nothing,and Nothing wants only Nothingness:so when it felt a blazing angry presence in its midst that said "I AM!" it wished to destroy it. It gathered the coldness from the space between the stars and sent cold to overwhelm and destroy the spark of fire. And this it happens that when a child asserts itself to strongly,even a very loving parent may secretly wish to destroy it.
     
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    Thanks for sharing brother I-khan. It's clearer to me now what source exactly Hegerl and Sartre were studying. 'Being and Nothingness' in particular. It show that them dutch german Afrikaneers used Zulu philosophy and theology and approriated it into their own philosophical 'tradition'. I wonder if Nieztche studied Shaka??:lol:
     
  8. I-khan

    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    who were Hegerl,Sartre , and Nieztche?

    I tried a search but it all seems to come up in a euro- toungue that I cant comprehend.

    Of course they appropirated it and Shaka was a great prophet as mentioned earlier and he did come in contact with some europeans that tried to sell him guns and such as well as those that wanted to 'negotiate' which he also saw through as it really was.
     
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    i also appreciate this thread and have placed an order for "Zulu Shaman: Dreams, Prophecies, and Mysteries"

    i'm trying to understand this, the living flame is consciousness, yet nothingness is aware of the flame; and thus conscious...

    or, aspects of consciousness are fighting with itself, and the flame is the aspect of consciousness that feels "it is"...
     
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    The three I mentioned were german philosophers of the 1800's who laid the foundations for Existentialist philosophy.

    The Existentialists also influenced Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, and later African socialist leaders such as Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Amilcar Cabral and Nelson Mandela. It would partially explain why southern African countires embraced marism-leninism because their philosophy incorporates "dialectics" or at least a world view that is Spiritual but has a basis in sceince.
     
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