Black People : Taking action for ourselves

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  1. MsInterpret

    MsInterpret Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Some of seem to blaming this and that for our problems....

    Blaming the white people...

    Blaming religion...

    Blaming the government...

    Pointing the finger at him or her...

    When are we going to stop playing the "blame game" and take responsibility for "OUR" own actions collectively as a community?

    We seem to let religion, politics, government and so on separate us from doing what we need to do.

    What problems have WE created in our own community? And can we discuss that without blaming an outer party?
     
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    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    It is rather sad and when I look at the dsivisions even in ones own family, I wonder if we have the genes of warring tribes in us bttling away causing us to even war against our own right intentions let,
    alone unite with our brother and sisters for surviving and thriving.

    Sadly I see us embracing hypocracy more then we embrace our own children
     
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    I agree...

    But these things, like religion, politics, genders, sexuality, and so forth...Cloud the big picture, which is to UNITE...Soon we arguing with one another and calling each other "sell outs" or "feminists"....When at the end of the day we are still BLACK....We are still in this WORLD together...

    I'm seeing more closed minds...That is a dangerous thing
     
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    It just the place where we have come too as a people
    we look for someone to blame and point at and not accept our
    own actions .....
    The key is to be accountable for ourselves and look into one self
    and what change is needed .
     
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    How do we keep those articles from
    separating us? You've pointed out some problems...mind rendering some
    possible solutions?

    Sure...

    Set it off.
     
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    That's what I'm pondering right now. This is why I opened this discussion to get others' opinions.
     
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    the things the the sister mentioned , that seperate us have no weight on the scales of MAAT compared the heavy burden of our seeming inclination to petty divisiveness, as opposed to a vanguard and forthright unity
     
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    Okay.

    Well, I'm gonna throw this out there.

    If there was ever a time that we had it 'right' as an afrikan
    people in this country, where, and or, how did we go 'wrong'?
    (NOTE:The above is not rhetorical)

    My approach is similar to that of a long drawn out math problem
    yielding the wrong answer when it's all said and done. One will
    have to backtrack and see where in route to formalizing an answer
    did one get it wrong no matter where we find it and identify
    it. One can't analyze the problem at the point of its occurrence.

    1 problem (out of many) is education...the kind of education black
    children are receiving.
    Letting other groups educate our children is
    a critical component to why we are messed up. I am for an afrikan-centered
    education, with a curriculum designed to prepare us to compete as a group with
    other groups in the global arena. As I've mentioned before, we somehow, have
    to grab hold of or create a market that will provide the economic resources that
    will fund and maintain our institutions
    , so that we do not have to rely, or rely
    significantly, on other folks. Relying on 'others' to fund our institutions means...
    they control our institutions.


    2: We have to dump this idea that the only way to bring about change is by
    merely voting.
    One of our struggles in this country isn't for political
    democracy...it is for economic democracy. We vote all day and we have,
    historically speaking, yet how has our economic condition improved as a
    collective? "Too many of us still believe that democracy works the way it is
    described in school text books"(robert allen). That political power is based
    on a majority in a given geographical area. "Political power in america is
    depended on those who controls valued resources and critical institutions
    (ibid). Revisiting again, the need to grab hold of or create a market the will
    provide the economic resources
    and use those resources to gain political
    pull.
     
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    ...And even that has to be taught, which should be part of the curriculum
    designed to prepare our children to compete in this world.
     
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    :wave:

    I think people have been asking the same question in just about every thread, but the problem is that unless the answer looks exactly like something they want, or the answer presented in a way they want and can understand - they completely look straight over it or go against it - as has been the case with the thread 'heaven is between a black woman's thighs' started by Truth, 'What can an activist do when there is no movement' started by chuck, the one on 'women taking responsibility for their choices in men' started by Destee, and the marrying thread started by Kemetry. All of these threads and many more stated what the problem is - but when you offer solutions they weren't prepared to accept them because they weren't what they wanted or they were not presented in way that was acceptable...for them.

    For some, the 'solutions' hit too close to home - like in how we are raising our children. For sure, if you been raising your kids in the way you figure was 'right' and someone tells you that is wrong and/or contributing to the problem - then you're going to become defensive and not see that as a viable solution to the problem. That has been the case with the whole 'man of the house' and 'what is a man?' threads along with the current one about child support.

    It's a merry-go-round. I present a problem and ask for solutions. Instead you expound on the problem by adding more problems and then blaming it on this and that - feminism, women's choices, sex, women going naked and not covering up, people not getting married, children born OOW, etc. Those aren't SOLUTIONS that's just a blame game. So then the conversation centers on whatever is attacked - women, education, feminism, dead beat men, etc. Again, no solutions, just a back and forth banter talking about what these people have done that contribute to the problem and/or current state social illness and depravity. I've seen that not only here but in almost any place where people try to tackle a problem, including on that 'State of Black America' clip that was presented here (given, i didn't watch the whole show but I'm sure it didn't any SOLUTIONS to the problems).

    And I sense some people have been hurt, and use the opportunity to attack some subjects and people indirectly or directly - as is the case I've noticed with a particular gentleman's threads and comments on feminism and interracial dating.

    Everything you presented is apart of the problem - white people, religion, the government, him and her. But the problem IS the solution. As jamesfrmphilly so duly noted, the black man (people) is the solution. The black man (people) is the problem - but he's (they) are also the solution, and the solutions comes from within.

    I understand why some people ain't gonna wanna listen to me, in particular. I have had the kind of life that people feel contribute to the problems and issues that is failing the community. Like one brotha elsewhere said - who the hell is going to listen to a man rappin about making money and being rich when he broke? In you gonna come about it, then you need 2B about it! By the same token, who's gonna listen to anyone not living the life that other people ascribe too?

    That is so true... and I wonder about that. What can a homeless man or woman teach me about having a home when they are homeless? What can someone on welfare teach about abut the value of a $ when they on welfare? What can a high school drop-out teach me about education when they don't have any and have resorted crime and criminal activity to make a buck - and the answer (to me) - PLENTY! Because I've been there or been close enough to it to understand, and I think you can learn and find value in dam everybody. But to someone else - if you ain't living the life then you caint be the life you want to espouse to someone else.

    When I respond to these type of threads, I'm cynical and sarcastic. That's the nature of me. But I've tried to come correct and present some solutions as I saw appropriate, by sharing bits and pieces of my life, what I've learned, and how I'm trying to instill what I've learned in myself and my kids. For me, that is where it starts because the problems I've encountered on here with solutions are also the ones I've encountered in real life - STUBBORNESS. People that too offensive as well as defensive. And when you are OFFENSIVE, then people get DEFENSIVE and won't want to listen to you. My children are a lot more malleable - and that's where I can effect the most change, so that's where I try to start. That is where it all begins anyway.

    Truth just hipped me onto this wonderful new world of blogtalkradio. I've listened to some of her old shows and perused a few others. Some of it is crap, but it has the wonderful potential to be a solution and a guide. I don't much listen to talk radio at all - over or subvert racist, and stupid black buffoonery, or listen to radio version of 'this week in black america and how they continue to mess it up for everybody else' type crap. But REAL people, amateurs.... now that's different. Sometimes the best folks with the real help and solutions are the ones who haven't quite 'made it' on the professional level, the pro-bono type, the ones still trying to get their name out there and gather an audience or clientele.

    Someone told Alexyss K. Taylor that she was good, but needed to be 'educated' to get her point across more effectively.

    :SuN049:

    I'm glad she didn't get 'educated' first - she just wouldn't be the same. And this 'educated' person was one of the many following that this 'uneducated' person has following her - so what does that tell you?

    I'm all for education, and advocate it to help us succeed financially and career wise, but education tempers a passion from within, and conforms you to societal standards whereby you lose your passion and become dissociated from the people and problems before you.
     
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