Black Education / Schools : Study: Black girls 6 times more likely to be suspended than white girls in New York schools

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  1. RAPTOR

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    A new study released by the African American Policy Forum and the Center for Intersectionality and
    Social Policy Studies at Columbia University shows that black girls are 6 times more likely to be
    suspended than white girls in New York schools.

    The study reflected a rate of race disparity even higher than that of black boys and white boys,
    according to Vox.

    The study showed that 12 percent of black girls were suspended, compared to 2 percent for white
    girls. “No white girls were expelled, and thus, no ratio can be calculated,” the study stated. “But the
    magnitude of the disparity can be captured by simply imagining that one white girl had been expelled.
    Were that the case, the ratio would be 53:1.”

    Read more: http://thegrio.com/2015/02/10/black-girls-suspended-new-york-schools/
     
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    ...it's simple, we are not involved in the education system like Europeans are. Neither are we invested like they are., so the powers that be ( White ) will have a more punitive stance against our kids because they believe that we are either unable or unwilling to be involved to a greater extent. Most Teachers are European Women followed by European Men. Principals and Guidance counselors are pretty much the same.They simply do not have faith the we will teach our kids differently so that they are not getting into trouble as much. They also see a greater propensity for Europeans to
    "do better" or change behaviors. The Penal system echoes that same notion as far as parole, sentencing and probation!

    ...this is an example of how population disadvantage hurts us...we are not in large enough numbers to change the education system. Puerto Ricans came to this country and they had their babies, which is why they are newer to America than us but they outnumber us. They are making babies despite their poverty and language / cultural issues. Maybe we should do the same?

    ...I don't give much credence to statistics in America. I don't doubt them completely, but there is a way they are used which I see as extremely derogatory. All statistics have a context that they are gathered for. After they are gathered, which may just be general accounting, they are used as weapons to malign us. In crime, stats are reported voluntarily by police Chiefs who can manipulate and interpret them any way he pleases and they do just that. Stats are double and triple stated to match categorical criteria. Some notes are omitted completely. Like in Ferguson. They never released the official report because they didn't want to. They chose not to!

    ...Stats are gathered from a WIDE variety of social situations and from a WIDE variety of people who have a WIDE variety of lifestyles, beliefs, religions, ages, personal situations and abilities. To take those nationally compiled stats and imply likely hood or criminality on both a regional and national scale is just absurd! One of the greatly used hypocrisies of America that amounts to another arm of Institutional indoctrination towards a mindset that is decidedly against our progress!
     
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    Many black girls like to throw down: plain and simple. However, this isn't a bad thing. White girls will smile in your face, be "bishy" and play all types of stupid games with you if they don't like you. Most black girls would just whoop Dat behind and get it out their system...which I find much healthier.

    I went to a diverse high school outside of NYC from 2006-10. Majority white with a large black and Hispanic minority. All groups mostly came from middle class families and the black girls fought more than even the black and Latin boys.

    Just the way it is..
     
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    What's the point of these redundant studies?
    To attempt to get people agitated?

    Been doing these redundant studies for years, and are any of them surprising?
    They don't do any follow up studies after researching the cause of these disparities and thus attempting to remedy them, do they?

    Look at these same redundant so called "studies" from years ago:

    2006: FACT SHEET: School Discipline and The Pushout Problem
    2007: School discipline tougher on African Americans
    2008: LOCAL IMPLEMENTATION:NEW YORK, NEW YORK - Race Realities in New York City
    2009: Reaching Black Boys - Intermediate District 287
    African-American boys are up to five times more likely to be suspended than any other group of students in CPS.

    2010: Cut Your Chances of Suspension: Don’t be Black
    2011: Why Black Kids Get Suspended More
    2011: African American students suspended and expelled two to five times as often as whites

    2012: School Suspension Policy in Chicago Brutal, Unfair
    2012: Executive Order -- White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African Americans
    2012: Obama's Executive Order to Benefit African Americans for Generations to Come

    2013: Study: Black students suspended more often than others
    2014: Black students more likely to be suspended - even in preschool

    So what are the point of all these studies and stats?
    I recall back in the day when Jesse Jackson was a cliche for reciting statistic after statistic after statistic, as if he had a statistic stenographer stuck inside his head so that he could spit them out at will.


    But we had schools where if we did something that was considered out of line we were given "In School Suspension". This was highly effective, personally speaking.

    Hated being at school all day doing classwork while being separated from my friends, even ate lunch while serving "In School Suspension".

    This served dual purposes and did not effect any out of school occurrences like after school detention or suspensions. Parents don't have to adjust their schedules to the dictates of the School Administration, because we know that schools are a semi-babysitter for parents that work full time jobs.

    My opinion is probably irrelevant looking at the timeline and so called studies over the past 7 or so years, but suspension only gets rid of a problem source, not amend it.

    Still can't say how much I was happy to get out of "In School Suspension", would have rather been suspended, less time to think about what I may have done to get put there... and it felt just like prison.

    Could you imagine, being stuck in one room for 7 hours doing classwork, not allowed to talk?
    That was some serious rehab, that made me realize acting a fool wasn't worth losing my so called freedom.
     
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    What are your thoughts on your topic?
     
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    I saw your exchange on another thread and the attempt to
    call you task for not expressing a viewpoint toward the information
    you have shared.

    I've posted plenty of articles/videos for which I've shared no opinion about.
    Why? Because sometimes I am merely disseminating information.
    If some wish to respond, cool, if not..., cool just the same. I opine
    that not every thread/topic requires a response, or must be responded
    to.

    Similar situation: I've to gotten 'the attention' for posting a video clip
    without, I think summarizing it or something like that. As long as we
    stay within the rules, everything should be cool. Make an earnest attempt
    and one should find themselves far more times on the 'right' than the 'not right'....
     
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    ...I am an educator and the culture of young African American kids is off the hook. This fight culture has to go. Bravado will get you strife in school. There are too many of our kids losing time in their classroom every day for detention or getting sent home. That's when they are not running around the school or being wrestled down.

    ...School districts are more concerned today about potential lawsuits than they are about effective discipline. The truth is that kids can get away with their behavior because the teachers can't do anything much except remove them ( eventually ) from the class. I have seen boys and girls being dragged to "The Big Room" every day...all year long. Some of these kids see this as their every day game to get out of class and doing assignments. I worked with third graders this year. 8 and 9 year olds who cuss, spit, punch, kick and threaten. 3rd grade reading on a level below 1st grade...that's like 1/2 or more of the class.

    ...kids say, "my mother said that if someone hit me that I have to fight them back". I tell them you have to make decisions as a young man when you are out in the world. Your Parents are talking about carrying yourself in the streets in general. In school, hitting back means automatic involvement and detention, you get removed from the room for a short period or all day up to a week or you are transferred to another class. The hard rule is that if you are hit you report it. If you hit back, you have an equal part in the fight...who hit first doesn't matter.

    ...our culture is walking on eggs politically and socially with this violence and it has to be reduced. We have to broaden our outlook and realize THE DAMAGE WE CAUSE OURSELVES.
     
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