Stick said, "black folks are always crying"

Discussion in 'Black Men - Fathers - Brothers - Sons' started by skuderjaymes, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

    Country:
    Japan
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,757
    Likes Received:
    5,870
    Occupation:
    independent thoughtist thinker, context linker
    Location:
    theory to application to discussion to percussion
    Ratings:
    +6,043
    another thing I like about youtube is that it allows you to hear from everybody..
    he's not the most articulate dude in the world.. and he hasn't studied anything
    but his heart is in the right place.. I know a bunch of young dudes like this..
    they want to do something but they just don't know what or how.. they don't
    fit in the church.. cause the church is passive.. they don't fit with NAACP cause
    the NAACP is burgeois.. they don't fit with the Muslims because they don't
    like bow-ties.. the educated looks down at them.. so what you have is a
    entire generation of young guys unnattached to anything that would frame
    these things in ways that they can get down with.. all of the protest here
    in Oakland are filled with these kids..


     
  2. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

    Country:
    Japan
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,757
    Likes Received:
    5,870
    Occupation:
    independent thoughtist thinker, context linker
    Location:
    theory to application to discussion to percussion
    Ratings:
    +6,043



    what's interesting to me is how contained his radicalism is.
    It's a radicalism that is not really radical. His kind of
    radicalism is acceptable.. its predictable. but he's young,
    so I understand. He still believes that if we all had money
    that the assault against us would stop. He still has
    faith in the system that white supremacy built. And he's
    right to a degree.. because we all have to make it work
    while we make our fight. We have to eat.. But even
    if all black folks were employed and properly educated
    by the european standard.. the assault against black
    folks would continue.. It will continue until we are
    all gone. Just like the Native Americans. Until folks
    are saying stuff like, "my great grandmother was negro".
    and "my hair's curly cause I got negro in my family."
    I'm starting to think that our only hope is numbers..
    But I've been working on some video projects today so
    I'm a little affected.. The sun will shine tomorrow..


    Peace.
     
  3. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2009
    Messages:
    14,710
    Likes Received:
    3,006
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    owner of various real estate concerns
    Location:
    Brooklyn
    Ratings:
    +3,014
    No disrespect intended, but did you say Oakland?

    The birth place of the Black Panther Party for Self Defense? who many where this brothers age and fit the description you mentioned, and formed something from nothing and an organization that the world will remeber?

    Young folks need to get creative, in other ways then just hip hop!

    Some college youth went to Imam Jalil Amin (H Rap Brown) and said, hey brother look at the times and what the community is going through.
    We nee you man get out from that grocery store and get active again.

    His response was, hey brothers I am an old man, now it is your responsibility to do what I and others did at your age and improve upon it.

    Bobby Seale,
    Huey P Newton,
    Fred Hampton,
    Angela Davis,
    H Rap Brown,
    Stokely Carmichael,

    were all in their twenties when they were ta the height of their activity,
    so some young folks today, sound like the refrigerator calling the stove white, when they cry about crying rathr then using the technology of communication they have,
    to show and improve upon what was done in the 60s and 70s.

    Garvey unitd Black folks all over the planet, during Jim Crow here, colonization there, and no technology at all
     
  4. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

    Country:
    Japan
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,757
    Likes Received:
    5,870
    Occupation:
    independent thoughtist thinker, context linker
    Location:
    theory to application to discussion to percussion
    Ratings:
    +6,043

    They were born in the 90's they don't know what folks in the sixties
    did. And the folks in the 60's are too busy criticizing them to tell them.
    .. too busy putting them down and comparing them to things they have
    only heard through the white media.. or from some burnout homeless dude
    that used be a revolutionary.. Divide and Conquer divides the young
    and the old also. And this is what you get.. old dudes putting young
    dudes down.. and young dudes writing old dudes off for disrespecting them..
    I think we really have to put some time into understanding the dynamics
    of ages and stages.. if the young and the old can't come together, then
    every struggle can only last a single lifetime.. the only way to wage
    a long term strategy is for the young and old to work together on the
    same team.. The old dudes have to be willing to take their place as
    elders and stop trying to compete with the kids.. H rap brown was
    wrong.. he was supposed to take those folks under his wing and share
    with them what he knows.. he's an old man but those young man
    could be his legs.. he was suppose to lead those boys, not send
    them away.. I was talking with this dude from Kenya, that owns a
    small African novelty shop and he was telling me about when he
    first came to America / Oakland 20 years ago, he was shocked because
    after a while he realized that the old were not wiser than the young.
    that they acted exactly the same.. and it was a shock to him because
    it's not that way in Africa.. I understand what he means.. I think
    a lot of younger guys are really disappointed in the older generation..
    I think they expected more guidance on a community level.. and
    found very little... so, whenever anything political goes down in the
    community they go out in the street and just break stuff up.. for
    no reason other than, they don't know what else to do.. just like
    this dude here on this video.. noone has pulled his coat tail to
    what's really going on.. all he has is what he learned in school..
    which is not much.. if he even graduated..

    and that all aside.. How did that whole Black Panther thing workout
    for the folks involved with it? They don't even teach anything about
    the panthers in Oakland schools.. You got ex-panthers working in the
    district.. it's 2010, 20 year-olds were born in 1990. the older guys need
    to make themselves available to the younger guys and get involved
    with them.. not just say, "it's your turn".. ​
     
  5. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2009
    Messages:
    14,710
    Likes Received:
    3,006
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    owner of various real estate concerns
    Location:
    Brooklyn
    Ratings:
    +3,014
    that iskind of insulting to say these guys will sit around and cry but if the church says read a book and they dont want to and the NOI says read a book and they don't want to, and thier history teachers in school had told them to read books and now they are grown men and don't want to,

    then what are they crying about?

    They need to go to a library or go to a youtube, or get a five dollar bootleg version ofMalcol X or Panther, and see what folks were doing in the 60s,

    With the rich African heritage we have and ourrich legacy of struggle from the times of Garvey, why are grown men making excuses for ignorance, when they have more resources for knowledge now then we have had i ten thousand years?

    Who is doing the crying now?
    they need to see what Dr Clarke had to say about history;
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...EJzKrQK60PWiAQ&q=Dr+John+Henrik+Clarke&hl=en#


    No one is putting any man down if they do not want to face responsiblity,
    hey every one is free to do what they want

    but no one is going to spoon feed a man, you spoon feed a baby

    As for putting folks down, the title of the post says what?
    About who?
     
  6. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

    Country:
    Japan
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,757
    Likes Received:
    5,870
    Occupation:
    independent thoughtist thinker, context linker
    Location:
    theory to application to discussion to percussion
    Ratings:
    +6,043


    thank you for illustrating my point.
     
  7. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2009
    Messages:
    14,710
    Likes Received:
    3,006
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    owner of various real estate concerns
    Location:
    Brooklyn
    Ratings:
    +3,014
    And with all due respect, when folks make post regading listening

    it would be kind of them to practice the principles they espouse;

    With the rich African heritage we have and ourrich legacy of struggle from the times of Garvey, why are grown men making excuses for ignorance, when they have more resources for knowledge now then we have had i ten thousand years?

    Who is doing the crying now?
    they need to see what Dr Clarke had to say about history;
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+Clarke&hl=en#


    No one is putting any man down if they do not want to face responsiblity,
    hey every one is free to do what they want

    but no one is going to spoon feed a man, you spoon feed a baby

    As for putting folks down, the title of the post says what?
    About who?


    And quote what they actually hear
     
  8. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

    Country:
    Japan
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2009
    Messages:
    8,757
    Likes Received:
    5,870
    Occupation:
    independent thoughtist thinker, context linker
    Location:
    theory to application to discussion to percussion
    Ratings:
    +6,043

    And once again, thank you for illustrating my point.
     
Loading...