Black People : Solutioneering.

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  1. happy69

    happy69 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    * First, what is wrong with the African-American Apartheid thread? I cannot open it?

    Yesterday, the images of a Black man getting brutalised by White men, in cop suits played across t.v. screens. This guy had stolen a car, got out and ran, stopped, hands raised, giving up... before this gang attack.

    Last night, Detroit--home of the CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING Pistons, families were outdoors, enjoying fireworks...and somebody decided to shoot. At least 7 people were shot, I do not know if any were killed.

    Illustration: Our Destruction is coming from all sides. While we narrowly focus on Us, the African-American community... We have to attack injustices on all sides and from inside out, or it will not work. Although We have to work against the KKK/Police, We also have to work against Our Own Sick Criminals who cannot imagine life as decency.

    We need to start talking solutions. OR WE CAN JUST LET OURSELVES BE DESTROYED.
     
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    There is a certain element of "evil" in our society that has no intention of living by the rules that the majority of people choose to live by. Some people suffer from mental illnesses due to chemical inbalances in the brain and/or serious emotional disturbances. Nothing short of qualified medical help and separation (temporary or permanent) from main society will or could help these people and protect society from the harm they can cause.

    Mentally/emotionally disturbed people are not always easy to spot and they are spread throughout society from the White House to deathrow. We must at least acknowledge that these people do exist and are of all different races, including Black. So, no matter what we do, we're always going to have to deal with some form of criminal element that plagues our community.

    Someone told me once that there isn't much difference between a hardened criminal and a cop. If you do a personality test on both, they come out pretty much showing the same results. I think the military has its share of these types of people as well. People who can kill easily and without remorse. To protect and to serve is their duty. No one wants a police officer or soldier that is afraid to shoot when their life or the lives of innocent people are on the line. But something goes wrong when they lose sight of who the enemies are and wreak havoc on innocent people or even people who are caught and give up.

    But not all violent types want the badge or military uniform to hide behind in order for them to carry out their dirty deeds. All they need is the right opportunity and there are so many of those that occur in our daily lives.

    As we look toward the future with so much changing in our society due to high technology and medical research, it wouldn't surprise me if a drug or implant of some type is developed and approved to be inserted in people when they are born that retards or suppresses the brain chemical that controls violent behavior. But I don't think this will be universally applied to everyone. Only the masses will be controlled while those in charge will be free to continue doing what they want in terms of stealing, dictating, getting rich and more powerful. Who knows, maybe a vaccine has already been developed and waiting to be tested.

    I apologize if I rambled and got off the topic. It just struck me as I asked myself, what can we reasonably expect to do to adddress or end the violence that we are seeing on such a broad scale.

    Peace,
    Queenie :spinstar:
     
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    happy69 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    You did not go off topic...I think that you are right on target, but what can be done? What can We do that we are already not trying?

    Is the solution to the outside attacks, that We keep ourselves as far away from those who attack Us as possible?
    I don't mean total segregation. I mean, like, We see a cop We leave? If I am in a store and a cop comes in, should I leave?
    If I am enjoying a venue, and cops come around should I leave?

    Is the solution to inside attacks, that We start applying vigilante justice in Our homes and communities?

    How in the face of rampant outside attacks can We logically change the mindset of "not hurting another brother or sister by seeing that they get into the apartheid jail system..."?
     
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    What can we do that we are not doing already to combat violence within and outside of our community? Good question. There are probably several different approaches that can be taken to address this question, Sister Happy. Two approaches that I can think of at the moment are, one, to assume that nothing will change relative to the construct of our current society and the other approach is if efforts are made to revolutionize the current system to modify it in ways that will discourage violence naturally.

    If nothing changes, the best we can do to combat senseless violence is to increase our efforts individually and collectively to educate ourselves as to the destructive nature of aggressive behavior, to find positive ways to build healthy self-esteem, to promote the value of a compassionate society, be active public citizens from Washington, D.C. to our local city councils, express criticism of government, businesses, media that promote and make a profit from violence, discourage movies and games that have a violent theme. We should also volunteer more of our time and get involved in community activities, get involved in our schools, patrol our communities, let our presence be seen throughout the weeks, months and years to take back our communities from those that seek to do us harm and use us for their own selfish gain. We need to help our teachers by being better parents. We need to meet regularly with our community police officers to let them know the type of professional behavior we expect of them and what they can expect from us. We need to meet with ministers and pastors to let them know how important it is to have them be more visible throughout the community and more often than Sundays.

    If we think the current system is too corrupt and individually-focused to eradicate senseless violence, then maybe we should look to a different social model. Capitalism may be the culprit. Racism, sexism and egocentrism serve as fuel to a violent culture. This option may not be the most realistic one. It might be easier to simply become better parents, better civic activists, healthier mentally and spiritually and more communal thinking.

    Queenie :spinstar:
     
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    What can we do...that is the question...
    Once again tho i am convinced that we have to set up programs that allow the working-class, the economically deprived, all really African Americans (specifically slave-rooted) to have some psychological and pscychiatric meetings.
    We people of color have so much rage..so much hidden in the recesses of our minds (how many of us have really explored the middle passage)..and generations and generations keep coming knowing only what they have seen or been told..unaware of this chain that doesn't always allow us to see/think things through...Yes their are exceptions (always) but i am talking about the vast majority...
    Now to find the right therapists i am sure would be a problem, but for someone to ask the right questions of,to point out a phobia, to get one to begin to see /to think...can only help...
    But the development of such clinics within the communities, allowing not only the children, but the adults to have a place to talk (one on one) can only be helpful..
    What does anyone think?
     
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    Thank You both for the indepth replies, Queenie and Deepy....

    Queen, You know that I agree with you when you say We must face the facts that nothing in society as a whole is going to change. I, faced and to a certain degree have accepted that there will always be racism and that We, in the African-American community are going to be it's chief Victims. I have also accepted the fact that There Are, In Fact, African-American Racists, who PREY For Our Destruction Too-- I know that they are Our Weak...and I accept they are there.
    I think, too, that We have to accept that Police, in General, are a tool used in Our destruction...and We may have to forego their presence; for the presence of Communal Justice. I know that Vigilantism is not a good thing...but We have to do something?

    I agree too, that We have to actively combat societal pressures that affect Us... but We already do that too... A big problem is that too manyof Us worry more about filling Our Bellies, instead of making sure the community is represented in the right manner. We have to stop uplifting those in Our community that does this.

    Farrakhan has it right; We have to stop putting ineffective African-Americans in political offices.
    We have to stop Our kids idolising Black Men who only want them so that they can live a Bling-Bling lifestyle and do nothing for the community. Not even speak to things that are threats to the Community.

    Deepy: I don't know if a psychiartrist is the answer.... and in my mind, with all that goes on against Us... it is a miracle that We are not standing ontop of buildings picking people off. If Our mental strengths are beginning to erode, after all the stuff We have to face, We are still good. We have a right to have rage. African-Americans using their Love can do for Us what no Books ever can.
     
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    maybe i shouldn't use the word psychiatry...it seems to do something to us...let me say historically black people have always had someone to talk to..if it wasn't the preacher...it was the cook in the kitchen..or the "elders or elderess"...we always had a place to go and share our emotional selves..
    someone who could/would help us through our difficulties...that, or course happened because we were familial, we shared with each other. why, how do you think the black muslim movement became so widespread in the prisons...they were there to talk to, to guide, to calm, to show a way of life, of living.They were there to help guide"the rage"/
    I am not saying we should not have rage...of course we should...justifiably. just as we should have the fullest capacity for all emotions = the question comes to mind - how do we help the young energies and the old ones to to understand fully how to use these emotions to aid them, and "us/we"?
    So maybe the concept of clinic doesn't have to be "pyschoanalysis"..but someones who can listen LISTEN...ask the right questions ...ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS..GUIDE A MIND TO SEE THEMSELVES, TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES, TO RELEASE THE FEELINGS, OPEN UP...SO THAT THEY CAN ALLOW OTHER IDEAS, MORE ENERGY TO FLOW IN.
    I am not trained to do this...and sometimes I am blessed to make that connection with some one person...but their are so many of us who need that one on one with someone (I just thought of a haiku -i will put it in there)
    and so I thought in a organized "clinic" (i use the word loosely)..people can stop in..discover someone they can begin to share with...but it has to be organized..because I believe so many of us might not go otherwise..

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    Thanks for the clarification; with it-- I can only concur. What you have described with your words, is exactly what I mean by "LOVE." We have to get Our communal baggage together. There are many on the ground trying to do that, I, myself, am one of the many... I understand the legacy of slavery and of all it's children and grandchildren... I don't know if it is the fact that we continually reach out for a "better" love and negate the love We already have? I feel the Love everytime a brother or sister does something that gets recognition and proudly proclaim that they are an African-American. I feel the Love when a brother or sister speaks to me on the streets by saying, "Hey, Sister." I mean if Our Love wasn't so powerful, why does it always have to be undermined by Society-at-Large... And why is it that WE CANNOT SEEM TO SEE IT!!!????

    I agree 100% with you when you say that We have to stop carrying the rage around... and in this I think that each and every community has to come together and talk... intervene...I don't know. You are right, carrying this baggage around in detrimental to Our physical, emotional, and mental health.
    We have rage; sometimes it is misplaced...
     
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    Sister Happy69

    Sister Happy, please visit the "Black Currency" thread started by Brother Therious and add your two cents. I'd love to read your opinions on the topic, especially as you progress to the bottom of the thread.

    Peace,
    Queenie :spinstar:
     
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    Greetings Sister Happy,

    Long time, no?

    I wanted to share something I wrote a while that this discussion thread got me thinking about. Hopefully, this piece fits the thread somewhat. Excerpt from my essay:


    "So I continued thinking ... it will have to take Divine Intervention. Yes. Hopeless? No. Never. Hard? Yes. What is needed is not corrective information or throwing money at projects. No! What's needed is HEALING! What kind of healing? A healing that works on the consciousness. When we came to these shores, we underwent an initiation. As our people left the proverbial "Door of No Return", the destroyers were actively presiding over the initiation process. After exiting the "Door" (which is symbolic as the portage from our reality and world into another), our people were lined and laid one by one sideways in an infantile position, cramped in humid spaces that reeked of death and destruction. The initiators were pale-skinned, the harbingers and messengers of death, and their vehicle was the waters, Kalunga as the Bakongo call it. Kalunga is the sea that divides the physical living world with that of the ancestors. In the barbaric climate of these destroyers, the land of the ancestors was symbolic to death. Once arrival to land had came about, our people were cleansed (poured with water) and ritually presented to the other pale-skinned messengers. These were the first stages of initiation. They were meant to break down the psyche so the crowning or centering of the new consciousness could take place. "


    "After exiting the "Door" (which is symbolic as the portage from our reality and world into another), our people were lined and laid one by one sideways in an infantile position, cramped in humid spaces that reeked of death and destruction."

    "For a comparative analysis, we can look into the Haitian Vodou tradition. In this system, especially in northern Haiti and before the asson lineage was begun in the 1900's, the primary form of initiation was sevis tet, Kreyol for "service to the head or head-washing". Sevis tet consisted of several complex ceremonies and rigorous tests. The tests were to facilitate a breaking down of the psyche in the initiate, in order for his/her ruling spirit (lwa) to be properly crowned or seated. They (tests) served as fertilizers to bring about the proper condition for the crowning, in essence, increasing a person's receptivity. One requirement during sevis tet was that each initiate was to lie the entire time of initiation in a position which symbolized the positions our ancestors were forced to lay in when crossing the Atlantic. The area for the sevis tet is called the djevo, the altar room, and the djevo is extremely hot and humid. The initiating priests and priestesses continuously invoke the spirits until they make themselves manifest. Once the spirits arrive, a head feeding, the favorite food of each initiate's ruling spirit, is then placed on each respective initiate' head, corresponding with their particular lwa. The purpose is for the lwa to be drawn to their respective initiate; which once they are, the time comes for intimacy, one on one dialogue, integration of initiate and spirit and the beginning of a symbiotic relationship of service and work. The sevis tet also allows possession by one's own ruling spirit to be obtained more easily."

    "I believe that this is similiar to the process that was used to infect Afrikan captives with an alien spirit, an alien consciousness. I will go into more detail of the de-Afrikanization process in part 3 when we will revisit this. Ancestor teacher Amos Wilson in "Afrikan-Centered Consciousness vs. The New World Order" suggests that Afrikan people in Amerika are possessed by demons. I believe it to be both a spiritual and psychological entity. Somehow, I think our people via initiation into the destroyer's whiteness road of death crowned our heads with a negative entity due to the negative conditions of suffering, hatred and violence. I do know that, of course, the psychological end was the true purpose of white man's initiation, any other aberration was an extra. What are you saying? I'm saying, I believe, in the truest sense, our people underwent an initiation into the white man's world and reality; the initiation served to prime the mind right for the introduction of an alien spirit as it destabilized the mind and spirit connection, because of this initiation our people were crowned with negative entities of self-defeat and other ills, and we are still suffering from that original initiation."

    "What can be done? Malidoma Some's book "Of Water and the Spirit" provides some insight. Malidoma, at the age of 5, was kidnapped, forced into a white man's initiation camp and consistently inculcated with the white man's education. However, the call of the ancestors, primarily his paternal grandfather, eventually moved him to escape his captivity and begin to seek out his village and his people. Once back in his native village, Malidoma struggled to integrate back into village life, due to long-held captivity, the ways of his people seemed foreign. At the time, the village elders were struggling with issues of their own. One was what to do with Malidoma. They counseled, dialogued, pondered and seeked the spirits' assistance until they finally decided on Baor. Baor is the name of Dagara, Malidoma's people, initiation. They, the elders, saw in Malidoma, a young man of their people, possessed by a foreign and alien spirit, which made him incomplete and restless. In short, Malidoma was not whole or at peace; within existed a world of chaos, turmoil and dispossession of Sie' (double or spirit)*. [In part 3, also, I will provide quotes from Malidoma's book.]

    We can see many similarities between Malidoma and Afrikans in Amerika. What was the simple key the elders used in Malidoma's situation? Baor to offset the white man's initiation."

    I will continue in part 3.

    Brother Phillip, I wrote part 1 and 2 awhile back and due to work, I couldn't get into part 3. So part 3 is still pending. However, I hope you enjoyed these pieces. Any questions, suggestions or comments are appreciated. Feedback is needed."

    Also any responses from Destee?

    Blackbird

    * Sie' is the Dagara word for the ancestral soul, similar to dya (Minianka word) which is the "shadow part" of the soul. Both Dagara and Minianka (Bamana) believe if this soul becomes dislocated that ills we see confronting and infecting the Black community will mainfest. Virtually, nothing short of self-destruction and fraticide will result.