Brother AACOOLDRE : Socrates:Head above the Clouds

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    By Andre Austin

    What got Socrates killed was a poet and playwright. Socrates played into the hands of Aristophanes by attending a live performance of The Cloud so that the audience could view the real thing with the parody in effect making art imitate life. Socrates was saying Zeus didn’t have thunder and that clouds where the real God. In Egypt Zeus/Amen didn’t have the thunderbolt and anything dealing with Clouds would have been the Egyptian deity Shu. Socrates would say the new divinities are Air which holds the earth suspended is nothing but Shu. When Moses wrote of Jesus he said he would call out the name of other Gods. Clearly Jesus calls out to Shu the power to sustain air in his lungs were losing its effects and gave up his ghost (air/spirit) to be released from his body. The God Amen was the god of breathe and air/wind/spirit too. Moses hated the Egyptian Amen a former worshiper of Amen. What a coincidence both Socrates and Jesus having elements being a part cause of their deaths.

    Socrates may have been a follower of the Egyptian Ptah. Socrates called himself a descendent of Daidalos, a craftmen guild. Daidalos learnt the trade from the Egyptian followers of Ptah. The crucial clues comes from a dialogue Plato wrote “Euthyphro” where Socrates claims daidalos is his ancestor. Daidalos was the great-grandson of an Egyptian named Erechtheus who became the fourth king of Athens and brought the mysteries there too. Have you ever seen a bust of Socrates? He has a snub nose and thick lips.

    Socrates' fate was written, twenty years before his trial, by the Athenian
    playwright*Aristophanes in a comedy*calledThe Clouds*(419 BC). This farce features a character by the name of Socrates who is a sophist, who does not believe in Zeus or the Olympian gods, who introduces new gods, and who corrupts young people by teaching them tricks of rhetoric and setting them against their elders. This ridiculous, false image of "Socrates," as presented for laughs in the theater, became the basis for the Athenian prosecutors' indictment of the real Socrates.*The Clouds*is magic that comes true in the*Apology.*
    At the start of his self-defense, Plato's Socrates complains that his reputation has been smeared, and that the charges against him really apply to Aristophanes' absurd caricature of him:

    I have had many accusers, who accused me of old, and their false charges have continued during many years; and I am more afraid of them than of Anytus and his associates, who are dangerous, too, in their own way. But far more dangerous are these, who began when you were children, and*took possession of your minds with their falsehoods, telling of one Socrates, a wise man, who speculated about the heaven above, and searched into the earth beneath, and made the worse appear the better cause. These are the accusers whom I dread; for they are the circulators of this rumor, and their hearers are too apt to fancy that speculators of this sort do not believe in the gods. And they are many, and their charges against me are of ancient date, and they made them in days*when you were impressionable in childhood, or perhaps in youth, and the cause when heard went by default, for there was none to answer. And, hardest of all, their names I do not know and cannot tell, except in the case of a comic poet.

    The comic poet Aristophanes, that is. From*The Clouds and its real-life sequel in the deadly serious prosecution of Socrates,*Plato saw first hand* the power of literature, and theater in particular, to form prejudices based entirely on lies and falsehoods.*Little wonder that Plato feared the corrupting influence of poetry on society! The Socratic dialogues can be understood as his attempt to set the record straight about Socrates, or to counteract the comic images with a set of positive, idealistic, and heroic ones.

    In the final scene of Aristophanes' comedy, an enraged neighbor, whose son has been corrupted by Socrates, burns down Socrates' "Think Store," with Socrates and his students in it. One reason why this spectacular ending isn't funny is because Aristophanes didn't make it up out of the thin air of his imagination. Roughly thirty years before The Clouds, in about 450 BC, the real think shop of the Pythagoreans in Italy, together with most of the philosophers inside, had been burned by a group of their political enemies. The facts surrounding this catastrophe are lost in history, but we do know that the result was almost the annihilation of the Pythagorean cult. Only a few of the Pythagoreans escaped from the conflagration of the cult compound.
    So now you can guess why Plato, after Socrates' execution, visited the Pythagoreans in Italy, in preparation for the founding the Academy. Clearly the Pythagorean survivors and the Socratic ones would have had points in common to discuss. . . and all because of the bad taste of a comedian. We might say that Plato's whole career came from*The Clouds, as he restored the think shop to respectability through his uplifting images of Socrates.
    So that's the basis for academic life: it all comes from*The Clouds.

    Notes: Plato stole books from the Pythagoreans to help him write his doctrines originaly coming from Egypt.

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