Black People : SOCIALIST AMERICA?

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  1. Metaverse

    Metaverse Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    If we had to provide a better understanding of what "socialism" is like for most Africans in the world, we could say "ujamaa" cooperative economics. Those who practice the tradition of Kwanzaa are already familiar with that term. Euro-centered "ujamaa" however is much different. The "common ownership" that most Socialist Governments refer too, would appear against "individualism" something that most Americans have grown accustomed.

    Some scholars would argue that Africa has always been Socialist. In a Socialist Government, your business would not be yours alone to have, but belonging to the overall nation or Government. Socialism can also be used as a way to negatively redistribute wealth to certain parties and members in higher Government.

    The real problem in most of these systems is Government itself. Government still has the power to control and regulate the economic flow as they see fit.
    The issue with preaching Egalitarianism in this day and age is based on our corrupt politicians to begin with. Thus Socialism in America will not come about by choice. It will be by the slight of hand. Those in America will not be asked to choose it. It is very possible the installation of Socialism has already begun.

    But what does that really mean for Blacks In America?

    The Euro practice of Socialism, most likely will be just as disgusting as it's practice of Capitalism. It will not appear as an extension of a Fascist arm, especially not with Obama as it's face. Whites would be more cautious about Socialist Ideals because if individualism dies in America, the reality of America's need for diversity will sink in.

    Racist Whites will then be forced to work for and work as a collective unit with other Americans, those many they would never allow to sit at their tables to eat to being with. But isn't it that way anyway? But Capitalism seems to provide a healthy illusion for them, that as individuals and independents we are fully response for how our lives are going. Since the birth of Man, this has never been the case.

    Socialism without Government is workable. Because the true Government is your immediate group, community, tribe or family. And if we did live within communities that could identify themselves as one and secure themselves as one, Socialism and even "ujamaa" in America would be more successful.

    Humankind's failures have usually been formed around trust. And because Humankind is not educated on how to build trust, we are taken advantaged of by the building of Governments that "police" Human activity. This is obviously where Humankind will have to meet it's ultimate demise. True Socialism would not work without trust.

    Egalitarianism would seem alien to us now, even though it is the most common form of economics on native Earth practiced by the insect and animal kingdoms. There are no individuals ants that decide to pull leaves across the field for their own selfish agendas. Of course Humans appear to be more complex than ants. It does make sense however, that we would commit ourselves to any system that works for our people.

    If America is becoming Socialist, what does that mean for you?
     
  2. OnTyme

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    well if small communities can pull off socialism or communism, then why not larger more complex societies. if the living standard was quite high i don't know what i would feel..

    i don't think Obama is all that socialist though, he is very tame, if anything he is a extremely domestically centered protectionist but he does have some socialist leanings. many European countries and Canada have socialist tendencies but a pure socialist country hasn't existed in quite some time, so I have nothing to go on. i mean you are coming from the idea that government is bad no matter what so no ideology will really work...

    no system is perfect far as I have seen, but Cuba is a country I have so much respect for, the only Cubans sailing over to the US were mostly white Cubans...
    I love Cuba they are not socialist but they are somewhat close, the only problem I have is that if classicism is to end then the leadership of the nations shouldn't be eating better than the citizens either...if we are taking about what a socialist country should be like.
     
  3. Da Street So'ja

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    really what difference does it makes

    facism
    capitalism
    socialism
    communism


    are ALL run by the banking system

    when are people going to wake Up

    these are all "isms" that just cover how your money is printed and spent

    everybody thought communism was bad maybe for greedy white people
    but the bank WAS and STILL is making the money.

    People are under the impression that they "work" for a living

    if you "worked" for a living then you would have some control right

    this is psuedo-control baby, ultimately and sadly we are all in essence

    employees (slaves) to/for the banking system. (if you don't believe how is it possible for people to go hungry or homeless)

    listen MOST truth is VERY VERY BLAND in this arena, it made to be that

    way so you don't de-program yourself by accident lol

    if you're not scary, and want to REALLY understand i dare you to watch

    this movie. REMEMBER the truth is NOT on a digital video screen in Times

    Square. Those who love the "matrix" won't watch this, those who know and

    feel something's just not right will watch

    the choice is yours

    the RED pill or the BLUE pill

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...i=EjuESbCnLo6cqALeg734Cg&q=zeitgeist+addendum
     
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    Great points Meta

    Socialism is a parallel to Capitalism free enterprise ( a scheme, project or undertaking )

    The former socialism means sharing what is collected like taxes with all those who contributed.

    We know that isn’t the present case. Because money, services like proper policing, public services and community building and things as simple as providing adequate street lighting, water, electricity, disaster relief ( Katrina ) doesn’t run down hill. To the Black community like it suppose to.

    Collective isn’t part of the scheme in place for African Americans, from jump street the plan was to minimize us into non-existence. The Negroe is to be mimimized, and a new working group was put into place. the Chinese, The Indians from India and now the Mexicans from Mexico.

    My mother cleaned and many of other's grand mothers and parents cleaned hotels, waited on tables, cooked and cleaned homes and kept the other mans children. Only to provide for their own. Many Black Men built the nation, the Capital and the roads all the way into Alaska. During the second World war.. The Black soldiers did all the driving and running of supplies that was critical. Again winning another WAR for America. The Tuskegee Airman won the air war and the foot soldiers the ground. Then they came back home to discrimination, indifference and hate.

    Helpful and obliging they are not.

    Kind, considerate may be a glimpse can be seen. But over all welfare of our being is to be denied to us by capitalist who control and we vote into power. Capitalist are to control capital. Money. They do that, and flavor it with corruption built well into the define to be sure the program is inadequate.

    Mutual, benefit no way for America’s Black citizens, public welfare. Is painted to be shameful and something not to depend on. PULL YOURSELF UP BY THE BOOTS… but the Negroe has no boots. They didn’t give us non. GLORY is a true to life depiction of how the war was betrayed. There is always a person placed in charge. In that case he demanded shoes, guns and proper clothing so the men could live thru the winter of the battles. The Civil war we won and made possible to win by fighting and being given a chance to fight for the freedom we deserved and desired.

    So if anyone currently feels they battle… it has never stopped. It must continue until that day when as Martin said.

    All Men are created ( by the same GOD ) and must be treated Equal.

    I can recall many nights walking down Dark Streets into shadows not sure what if any thing sinister was in the next shadow. Cooperative endeavor we must demand. I think Barack will usher in some change in this mix. I have one eye on him and one eye for him. Ready as a soldier in this fight. Let a war break out. I will volunteer. I will carry food and water, for those who need. I will dig the trenches but I will help. I want to do some shooting too.

    I imagine myself in a round room with many doors. Each holding an opportunity for escape, prosperity, fairness or doom. If one cracks, I kick it open. I take a look inside. If it has some potential I venture in. I leave it open so anyone coming later, or with me finds what they see inside and claims it. If I open a door that cracks, and I look in and see nothing but darkness. I close it. For I will not enter into total uncertainty and doom. I shut that door and hope those coming after me see that that door is not the one to venture thru. In our sharing here on the forum we show each other open doors, and opportunity when possible. We leave a post, or note so the reader knows. To venture here can be hazardous to health. Hopefully the note isn’t deleted, ignored, is heeded and paid attention to and doesn’t fall off the door. DO NOT ENTER IT READS!
     
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    Ahhhh.. the "isms":bowdown:
     
  6. Da Street So'ja

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    yes

    exactly once you control that, laws are IRREVELANT

    people see capitalists as progress when in truth they're holding us back

    because their basis is control and power, if progress tickles in, so be it

    and that progress is ultimately OBEDIENCE

    few can really see thru to the core because it's so well camouflaged

    then i realized it's "NOT CAMOUFLAGED" at all

    we are being spiritually raped right out in the open
     
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    So'Ja

    The video is so TRUE.. and they punished Andrew Jackson after he tried to shut them down, by placing his picture on the ( $20 ) money. As a mockery to his effort.

    This info is off the HOOK... Thanks
     
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    I've been trying to get folks to watch that video for about a month now. Maybe we should push it in bros. chat.
     
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    very true street the bottom line is we all have to share no matte what the title of the action is. respect for all life eating,living and loving is important.
    however there is a being on this planet that has a necessity to be better than every one else. But there is this very toxic chemical called competition and those that must better than everybody else by having and consuming themselves(matter) they will never understand this. In reality we do not have to "work" at all there is enough to food to feed everybody and have a lot left.
    because the amen has prepared our mother to sustain all of its children. Now this monetary illusion is the saddest one of all. Telling people that they cannot have food because of this b.s called money while the supper market is full of food that is spoiling because they next level of the mind screw is in place. Pimpin is the art of having u do something i need u to do however i make it yo idea. WE have been getting pimped from the time the towers went down to the election of mr obama out of the necessity to change something?
    They pimped us into supporting the defense bill. They pimped us into invading iraq and afganistan. They pimped us into electing our new president. They are now pimping us to go deeper and deeper into illusionary slavery with the fed bank insuring our childrens children will have to work and pay something back they never received in the first place.
     
  10. Da Street So'ja

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    thank you

    your statement is well presented and well accepted

    no reason for people starving and living in "poverty"

    it's such foolishness it boggles the mind
     
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