Discussion in 'Black People Open Forum' started by 360, Dec 15, 2009.
claim they came here on a spaceship.
Who do you believe?
Can you provide any kind of citation that Elijah Muhammad made such a claim, or is this just something you heard?
It was an vision.
It is written in the book of Ezekiel, "When I say unto the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
"Yet if you warn the wicked and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul." It is in this spirit that I make This Announcement.
In a tiny town in Mexico, called Tepotzlan, there is a mountain on the top of which is the ruins of a temple dedicated to Quetzalcoatl, the Christ-figure of Central and South America--a mountain which I have climbed several times. However, on the night of September 17, 1985, I was carried up on that mountain, in a vision, with a few friends of mine. As we reached the top of the mountain, a Wheel, or what you call an unidentified flying object, appeared at the side of the mountain and called to me to come up into the Wheel. Three metal legs appeared from the Wheel, giving me the impression that it was going to land, but it never came over the mountain.
Being somewhat afraid, I called to the members of my party to come with me, but a voice came from the Wheel saying, "Not them; just you." I was told to relax and a beam of light came from the Wheel and I was carried up on this beam of light into the Wheel.
I sat next to the pilot; however, I could not see him. I could only feel his presence. As the Wheel lifted off from the side of the mountain, moving at a terrific speed, I know I was being transported to the Mother Wheel, which is a human-built planet-a half-mile by a half-mile that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad had taught us of for nearly 60 years. The pilot, knowing that I was fearful of seeing this great, mechanical object in the sky, maneuvered his craft in such a way that I would not see the Mother Wheel (Plane) and then backed quickly into it and docked in a tunnel. I was escorted by the pilot to a door and admitted into a room.
I shall not bother you with a description of the room, but suffice it to say that at the center of the ceiling was a speaker and through this speaker I heard the voice of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad speaking to me as clearly as you are hearing my voice this morning.
He spoke in short cryptic sentences and as he spoke a scroll full of cursive writing rolled down in front of my eyes, but it was a projection of what was being written in m y mind. As I attempted to read the cursive writing, which was in English the scroll disappeared and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad began to speak to me. He said, "President Reagan has met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to plan a war. I want you to hold a press conference in Washington, D.C., and announce their plan and say to the world that you got the information from me on the Wheel." He said to me that he would not permit me to see him at that time. However, he said that I had one more thing to do and when that one more thing was done that I could come again to the Wheel and I would be permitted to see him face to face.
He then dismissed me. I entered the small wheel and the pilot whom I still could not see, moved the craft out of the tunnel and took it up to a terrific height and maneuvered his craft that I might look down upon the Mother Wheel. I saw a city in the sky.
With great speed it brought me back to earth and dropped me off near Washington where I then proceeded into this city to make The Announcement.
After I awakened from the vision, it seemed to vanish from my mind. However, on the morning of September 19, 1985, a great earthquake struck Mexico City and it was felt in the little town where I was staying. That earthquake brought the vision forcibly to my mind and I spoke it, later that morning for the first time to my wife, Khadijah Muhammad, and Sister Tynnetta Muhammad in the city of Cuernavaca.
During the vision of 1985, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad did not tell me who the war was planned against, or where it would take place. But, as events began to unfold from September to December of 1985 into January of 1986, it began to dawn on me, slowly, that the war might be against Moammar Qaddafi and the Libyan Jamahiriya, but I was not completely sure. In early February, 1986, I was invited to participate in and be the spokesman at a press conference initiated by the Libyans in cooperation with Kwame Toure of the All African Peoples' Revolutionary Party and the representatives of approximately 15 groups of Blacks, Native Americans, Hispanics and Whites, in essence, to state to the government of the United States: "Hands off Libya." While I was speaking at the press conference, the lights of the television cameras in the back of the room brought back the vision of the press conference that I was to hold in Washington, D.C., and I wondered to myself, "Could this be it?"
The passage you quoted is from Louis Farrakhan. It was his "vision." My question is asking for something from Elijah Muhammad that states he came here in a spaceship, since 360 is stating that Elijah Muhammad made such a claim.
So I'll ask again. Can you (360) or anyone else provide any kind of citation that Elijah Muhammad made such a claim, or is this just something you heard?
Before UFOlogy became popular, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that a large spaceship had been built "to destroy the white man's world." He called this spaceship "the Mother Plane." He also referred to it as "the Mother of Planes." The various parts of the ship were build in factories across the world, but the workers had no idea of what they were actually building. It was eventually assembled in Japan in 1929.
Now, I am sure it's sybolic however, It was taught by Elijah Muhammad.
I can't find inserts from books but so many brother and sisters from the NOI have information on their pages. And on their sites.
The best source is the book : The Mother plane by The honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Much respect and Peace
I found another article that proves it originates with Elijah Muhammad himself.
Heres an insert and I hope the link comes out :
WEB POSTED 07-31-2001
Bearing witness to the reality of the Mother Plane
In the October 6, 1992 issue of The Final Call newspaper I wrote:
"Approximately 30 years ago, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad made public the fact that Allah made Major Donald E. Keyhoe bear witness to some of the truth of the planes He produced."
The article continued:
"What follows is from a MUFON conference, held in Dayton, Ohio, during July 29th and 30th of 1978 from a paper presented by Major Keyhoe titled: "Behind The UFO Secrecy."
"He stated: ‘The UFO cover-up is the greatest deception in the history of the United States.
" ‘Even President Carter has been unable to secure hidden UFO information. Last year, Carter tried to obtain an evaluation of UFO evidence from NASA—the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Under CIA pressure, Administrator Robert Frosch rejected the President’s request.’
" ‘We do not have a single credible report,’ " he insisted.
" ‘This was absolutely false. NASA has many verified reports by astronauts and other competent observers. AF Major General James McDivitt, former astronaut, encountered a UFO while circling the Earth. Before it veered away he got a clear photograph. He recently revealed that a faked picture of no importance was given to the press. The genuine photo, he said, is still hidden by NASA. Colonel Gordon Cooper, another former astronaut, has disclosed several of his confirmed sightings, also his attempts to close in on UFOs while he was an AF jet pilot. He is now strongly attacking the secrecy.
" ‘President Carter is still swamped with demands that he keep his campaign promise and release all hidden UFO evidence. The CIA may persuade him to wait until the AF has all the answers. But some of my Pentagon sources believe Carter will defy the CIA and give the AF a hard-boiled order to present him with all concealed UFO information." (AF stands for Air Force).
"Remember, the above excerpt from Major Keyhoe’s presentation was in 1978. President Carter, according to many others, was never allowed to get the government’s secrets concerning the ‘UFOs,’ despite being commander in chief."
These are those who speak as if they have inside information which justifies them in saying that Mr. Jimmy Carter, while president, was outright hindered, even privately opposed and not allowed to get the truth the government has about these "UFOs." If this is so then he was the commander in chief—up to a point. He was the leader of the western world—up to a point. What of the other presidents? Who are the real powers ruling this world? What do they use to both rule and yet hide themselves? Is their exposure today at the root of the intense persecution, now going on against the Nation of Islam, led by Minister Farrakhan—which may get worse?
Then in an article, which appeared in the November 16, 1992 issue of The Final Call) I wrote:
"We continue with the subject of the reality of what white people began calling ‘UFOs.’ Again, I am drawing on a little of what Allah blessed me to gather from the "UFO" conference which took place in Germany, in 1989, when I accompanied Brother Wali Muhammad and Mother Tynnetta Muhammad—a trip financed by Minister Farrakhan. The article read:
"Eleven years ago, in 1981, at a MUFON conference held at M.I.T. in Cambridge, Massachusetts, a Mr. Peter A. Gersten (an attorney-at-law) presented a paper entitled: ‘What the Government Would Know about UFOs If They Read Their Own Documents.’
"Part of his paper states: ‘May I remind the reader that much has been released, uncovered, seen, heard, and felt during the last eleven years that compels any sane mind to admit that there are planes flying above America and the nations of the earth, that were built and launched by secret powers from and of the earth, over which the United States, Russia, Great Britain-in short, none of the Nations of this world have any power to shoot down, control or in any way interfere with. What follows are the opening words of that paper:
‘As you just read, Mr. Gersten stated that these planes " ... were built and launched by secret powers from and of the earth ... ." This is a very interesting statement. How did he come by this information?
As you may know, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad repeatedly stated, as the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan does now, that Ezekiel’s vision of a wheel like plane is a reality today. It is up in the sky. This government, or certain persons in the government know this, but have worked as hard as they can to hide what they know from the public or at least confuse or blur the subject in the mind of the public.
Allah showed this plane to Prophet Ezekiel a long time ago. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad cited words in the book of Ezekiel, which he said shows that this plane would be secretly designed, financed, built and launched from the earth. This has now happened.
I have no idea how Mr. Gersten arrived at the conclusion he stated that these planes "... were built and launched by secret powers from and of the earth ... ." But, he is right. (The emphasis on his words are mine.)
The question is: What is the relevance of his statement, which corresponds to that of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, for our lives, the lives of our loved ones and the destiny of America and why must we consider this subject, which bears directly on the person and work of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, at this time—the end of June, 2001?
At the end of the eighth chapter of Where Is The Honorable Elijah Muhammad?,written in 1995, I wrote:
"I interviewed Minister Abdul Rahman (of Georgia) for this book. That interview appears in full in Where is the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, Book Two. Meanwhile, in response to my question: ‘Have you ever heard him (the Honorable Elijah Muhammad) speak about the Mother Plane? What were among the most interesting things you ever heard him say about it?’
"Minister Rahman answered: ‘I think that the most interesting thing that stuck in my mind was that one minister—I can’t recall who he was—he tried to suggest to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, that the Mother Plane might be a myth, or spiritual, a spiritual, something, that was not physical. And the Honorable Elijah Muhammad got quiet. His eyes got sharp. He stared at the brother and told him, ‘The Mother Plane is nothing to be played with, brother. It’s for real.’ That stuck in my mind for a long time. It’s still there.
"I can see the look now that he gave this brother. ‘Cause the brother was trying to—he had disbelief in the Plane. And he tried to ask the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was that just spiritual teaching, you know, about a spiritual thing that was not also physical. And the Messenger got quiet, and tightened his jaws and looked at the brother real sharp, and told him it was not to be played with."
Don’t fool yourself. It’s not reel. It’s real!
No doubt that interpetation and perception means everything But from what I gather nothing was hidden in The honorable Eljiah Muhammad
teaching abut the Mother Plane/ Ship.
Respect and Peace
I'm familiar with Elijah's concept of the Motherplane. Very familiar. What I'm looking for is proof that Elijah made a statement that he came here on a spaceship. This is the opening statement that the person with the screen name "360" made. My question is rhetorical because I already know the answer.
Precise Infinite Peace Allah
So you thought.
But Looks like his question may very well be metaphoric and/ or rhetorical as well. Depending on how you interpret the question ??
If you are familiar with the book itself, On page 32, third paragraph , it actually says that he ( Elijah ) came from the mothership meaning part of the universe. As he goes on to explain. ( I'm paraphasing But please check it out. ) I couldn't find an insert on the net.
So many of his teachings was symbolic.
But I am sure you knew that as well.
To be a brother sometimes we have to act brotherly. And step up and rise to any situation or occasion where knowledge can be gained for US.
Screams volumes to me. But be you.
Have a good day, Peace
People who listen to me, hear me and understand me just fine.
I'm sure but I wonder if you hear THEM ??
What you didn't address scream just as loudly as what you did address, Ya know, about the topic as hand. But thanks for the encounter.
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