Black Christians : SINCERE QUESTION

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  1. Nameless

    Nameless Banned MEMBER

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    Last night I was pondering religion, and I was thinking to myself, what is it in the bible the you personally do like...

    The answer was ok... I like the psalms of david

    I was reviewing in my head the lord is my shepard .. etc..

    got to the part .... thy rod and thy staff .. they comfort me

    this is where the thought stopped...

    so my question is this psalms are poetry... what symbols do "rod and staff" represent

    really.. for his name's sake....

    HONESTLY, IT DOES SOUND A BIT ODD.

    Then for some reason I'm also hearing with liberty and justice for all..

    like this particular psalm and the pledge allegiance contain the same elements of writing and poetry.. beat, count etc.

    Please don't answer this with more scriptures, or research

    I'm asking subjective applications

    I DIDN'T PUT THIS IN OPEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO DEVELOP INTO ARGUMENT.

    THANKS
     
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    Thy rod and thy staff, they shall comfort me...

    A preacher once explained that this is reference to THE HOLY SPIRT, The Holy Comforter... Put on your whole armour of God which is referred to as 'the weapon of God' meaning THE WORD of God, the Sprit of Truth...
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    The manifestation of Truth...It is a deep concept that connects the purpose and [1] life of Jesus and [2] the later birth of the Holy Spirit which came to confirm HISTORY of all mankind on this planet with regards to good and evil deeds.

    The Word of God versus the Blasphemous words of the Great Adversary is the issue, however, through an understanding of words, truth can be determined.

    Another explanation I've heard concering the phrase David used in regards to 'thy rod and thy staff' was that in the ancient days, old black/african men who were priest would use a staff to help them walk and if they were confronted by an enemy they would use their staff as a weapon, a rod. Therefore this phrase applies in symbolism in context in relation to a shepherd-priest in how he was well trained to turn his staff into a weapon.

    Ther term 'rod', 'staff', 'bough', and etc. is used all throughout the Bible in symbolism and in relation to the Creator God in his nature to protect and defend.


    NAMESAKE--

    this refers to INHERITANCE. This inheritance begins with Adam and Eve, therefore according to the Bible, there is [1] the kingdom of God and [2] the government of the Great Adversary [which is not set up on inheritance but by election].

    The similarity you may feel exist between the psalms and America's pledge of allegiance may have to do with the fact that their forefathers picked the Bible and modelled their government style after the Bible and then extracted Jesus out of it and is why they separated from it in 1776. They replaced 'King' Jesus and the High priesthood of the Creator God with themselves as being god.

    So at face value, it is said that America is liberty and justice for all but in actuality there is great contradiction from the start of their constitution; their bible. --Chattel Slavery is on their books from 1776 -to- 1865...and then there is the prison system for the most part, set up on lies and deciet...

    Now, that's my subjective opinion based on what!?--research and scriptures-- that can be provided in depth upon request!
     
  3. Nameless

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    ok thank you

    the third part of the question was the correlation to poetry

    psalms are poems

    your very intelligent and i was very impressed with your interpretation

    until the last sentence

    i feel your answer is objective because your answers are research and scriptures which are still objective because it is provided

    i feel the beat of the words, poem and and numbered count mean something different

    i've never personally been "comforted" by a staff or a rod, to my recollection, these where objects used to "beat" me physically

    and in essence i believe the above mentioned is to "beat" mentally

    that is my own humble opinion which is subjective based on how word symbols make me feel inside

    and this isn't a "job" interview so no research, scripture and references other then yourself need be furnished upon request

    it does not make me right to you
    it does not make you right to me

    i was just trying to understand

    extract jesus from the blood???

    namesake..... takes a tragic form, as it is admittance poetically speaking, a realization of end, death... but moreso the last stage of acceptance

    the author "david", however, probably influenced

    i think these times are great times because i have actually witnessed the "birth of innocence"

    in advance, i won't respond anymore, because this exchange is actually going no where.

    appreciate you tenacity
     
  4. Nameless

    Nameless Banned MEMBER

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    and i just wanted to add through this de-vice (u know the computer application), that red means courage to me

    and really a birth right is different then an inheritance

    you inherit genes

    through de oxy ribo new clay ic acid..

    acid burns right... so the formula for "flesh" .... is then ? what?
     
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    Psalms are incantations.
     
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    spells

    I would simply say

    Creation is naming things.... u named psalms spells, no disrespect intended

    however, u named urself am nat 77

    this has meaning to both u and (I)

    if u name a psalm a spell then this is the effect it will have on u the one that defines it in this way

    david put it out there, however, the response ability is on the reader

    i actually respect the bible

    i actually respect a gun

    it is usually the consciousness behind the creation the determines what is positive and negative

    cause both items would actually do nothing unless applied

    peace
     
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    Psalms are incantations.. David did not write them and most of them have nothing to do the Christian religion...

    Once you take out the Christianity, and David aspects.. look at them with your third eye, then you'll SEE what they really are.....
     
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    Psalm 91

    1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
    will rest in the shadow of the Almighty
    . [a]

    2 I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress,
    my God, in whom I trust."

    3 Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare
    and from the deadly pestilence.

    4 He will cover you with his feathers,
    and under his wings you will find refuge;
    his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

    5 You will not fear the terror of night,
    nor the arrow that flies by day,

    6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
    nor the plague that destroys at midday.


    7 A thousand may fall at your side,
    ten thousand at your right hand,
    but it will not come near you.


    8 You will only observe with your eyes
    and see the punishment of the wicked.

    9 If you make the Most High your dwelling—
    even the LORD, who is my refuge-

    10 then no harm will befall you,
    no disaster will come near your tent.

    11 For he will command his angels concerning you
    to guard you in all your ways;

    12 they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

    13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra;
    you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

    14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him;
    I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

    15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him;
    I will be with him in trouble,
    I will deliver him and honor him.

    16 With long life will I satisfy him
    and show him my salvation."


    This is an incantation, and is one if not the most powerful of all the Psalms ..
     
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    Amnat77 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    And you have no clue what my name means, so do not make any assumptions please...:fyi:
     
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    In poetry, any one or more of literary devices or "figurative language" (such as metaphor) is often used.

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    For example, a "ROD" and a "STAFF" are both tools of a Shepherd and in Psalm 23, they are used, metaphorically, in reference to God as the Great Shepherd.

    A "Rod" is a long POLE used by sheperds for support in WALKING as well as for guiding and leading the flocks.

    A "Staff" is also a long pole but with a curved hook or what is called a "crook" on the end of it.

    So, yes, as the Psalm says:
    God is my SHEPHERD who LEADS me and GUIDES and PROTECTS me and SUPPORTS me just as a shepherd's "rod and staff" performs.

    ...I can LEAN ON him as my "rod and staff."---He will give me COMFORT and RESPITE and RELIEF when I am WEARY.

    .. He RESTORES me and leads me in righteousness for HIS NAME'S SAKE, i.e., IN His Name/BY His Name----If I will call on HIS NAME, He will do these things as my SHEPHERD.

    HE is my SHEPHERD and I am His sheep.

    So, by HIS NAME and by HIS HOLY WORD, I will FEAR NOTHING.


    Pss.23
    [1] The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
    [2] He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
    [3] He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
    [4] Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
    [5] Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
    [6] Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
     
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