Black Spirituality Religion : SHOULD WE ACKNOWLEDGE WHITE ANCESTORS?

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  1. Metaverse

    Metaverse Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I was meditating on the entire concept of "reparations"- just looking out on the world, seeing all that has happened so far, I was wondering to myself why we are still pursuing this task, when we could have anything we want when we learn to master the spiritual arts and sciences our Ancestors left within us.

    And then someone tapped me on the shoulder.

    I was sitting inside one of my astral fields, a holodeck I built with my mind, a place I often go to meditate and reflect on my life. Now suddenly next to me stood a much older White Male, long light and dark gray hair, standing crocked holding on to a wooden cane.

    Erasing the profanities, I asked him what was he doing here. He said to me, "I am one of your Ancestors, you have never called on me, never acknowledged I was even here in this place. But I am the reason your Mothers, Grandmothers, Great-Grands are so tricky with money, they learned it from me you see. But I was also very wealthy Man."

    He pointed his finger to show me some others who were sitting under a tree talking. I noticed a few White Women, and some Asians. "Wait- don't start this with me" I said, "I do acknowledge my Asian bloodline sometimes"

    "Sometimes" he said, giving me this look of disappointment. "You think everything about you is African?"

    I cannot deal with everything that was said right now, so I won't write it. But I will mention this.

    "I am your reparations." This White "Ancestor" said. "I have bled for you, from the time I have been here. What about these Christians you have there, don't they see that either? That we are here bleeding because of what we have done? I am not angry because I am here, I am not bitter. I am saying that, I know how to beat them. I know them, I am them. And I owe you a debt. I speak to you and turn away from me. I call you and you act like I do not exist. But if it's money that you want- look, my blood, my soul, my life has been cursed because of it, my need and my desires for it. I would give up all my power over money for the smallest bit of peace and forgiveness."

    A Warrior is not soured by the sadness of his enemy, but what about when that enemy is an Ancestor?

    I need the help of our great Destee spiritual minds to clear this up. Who else has heard of this? Who else has wondered about this? Should we acknowledge white Ancestors?
     
  2. DARKSIDE MAGICK

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    I WILL SPEAK ON THIS WHEN I GET BACK FROM VENICE BEACH, BUT YES YOU SHOULD HONOR THEM --- 100 DEGREES HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:11700:
     
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    I agree...
     
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    Thanks for bringing this up, doctor.

    Here is my sharings.... (The more I learn, the less I know)

    From the age of 18 to 27, I was very nationalistic and militant in my views. I hated white people with a passion. I wanted them all dead. I was active at Southern University, when rapper David Banner (Lavell Crump) was SGA president, when we boycotted homecoming to protest the 1970's murder of students Smith and Brown, when Baton Rouge police came on campus and there was a virtual showdown between us students and the racist pigs, when ancestor Del Jones came to speak after Tupac's death and highlighted the irony that the largest HBCU (niggX factories, as Del called them) had a white boy as quarterback. I've did other stuff, so I wasn't no pansy.

    I recall getting a reading done by a Dahomean Vodoun priestess from Africa, which was on point. She told me in the reading I have one ancestor who was severely wronged by white people. He hated them in life and he went to death hating them because they brutalized him, tortured him and killed him. You have inherited his rage and anger and it is no good. It is bad for your health and he can not evolve either. You must release it in order for you both to be liberated. I found from family members and old records this ancestor was a ringleader of a localized uprising of 300 "slaves". They were killed and 20 of their heads were cut off and stucked on posts. My ancestor was one. This priestess was the one that revealed that my ancestors were the Vodu, direct blood lineage, through this ancestor's line.

    Well, I began to have dreams and in dream, images of my ancestors flashed. Lo and behold, a couple of them were obruni. I had another dream of five quadroon socialite women in New Orleans. They were dressed in fancy gowns, holding parasols. At one point, they were standing on a balcony overlooking a boulevard. Next they were walking down the oak tree lined street. My consciousness focused on one of the women, whom I got the sense was an ancestress.

    The biggest shock was when one of my spirits came down in a misa. He was a Spanish guy. He asked, "Why don't you light a candle for me? Are you not of me, as well?" I replied, "I don't know you or recognize you. Who are you, anyway?" The medium mounted by him didn't know me let alone my background. He re[lied, "I am Luis Bautista." One of the last names of my fam.

    I have more for later.

    Blackbird
     
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    I'd just like to focus on these highlighted items and say thank you for sharing, because they are words of wisdom. I too was very militant in the past and angry as well. Thankfully I realized that anger serves little purpose and the only one suffering was me.
    I am surprised that some of us actually believed that we had pure blood all the way back to the ancients?? You were seriously shocked after all this time in America? Anyway, Meta and blackbird both posts point out what is absolutely true for every one of us in this world; we are all from the same tree with many many different branches, however sharing the same roots. I'd also like to point out something that may be hard for many of you to believe; every single person who has lived and died and has gone to the other side are free of every single thing that has ever bound them on earth. That means guilt, hardship, anger, remorse,sadness etc. They are all human emotions attached to this earth, when the spirit crosses over they leave all of that behind unless they refuse cross over, which is ofcourse when they remain earth bound. This is likely the case of blackbirds ancestor who was too hurt and wronged in life and could not and would not let what happend go. I know this is all very hard to believe, it is for me at times but I believe it to be true inspite of all the horrible things we go through on earth that none of these things are part of what we experience on the otherside. Hopefully black birds ancestor has since crossed over and healed.
     
  6. Metaverse

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    Already this is a fascinating topic. Bro. Darkside I know you have much info on this! Bro. BlackBird and Each1 thank you for sharing. You are so right, the more we learn the less we know.

    But I know those who have a different opinion are reading as well. Why do you think our White Ancestors "shouldn't" be acknowledged?

    I'll give my reasons for not doing so. We know our bloodlines are crossed with different African cultures too. But the way I saw it, the way Black people live their lives, we spend so many waking hours already honoring White folks. In our language, our dress, the way we wear our hair, our culture in most cases is White.

    So here comes this old White Man, my Ancestor asking me- why don't I honor him? I'm saying to myself, I've honored you enough, everytime I spend these "dead presidents" I am honoring you and your culture. What else do you want from me- blood? And you've gotten that too.

    I don't have to use hatred or anger, just my thought, that these spirits deserve to be shut out, just as we shut them out of Africa the first time.

    And yet I can see the side of many- just forgive, let it go, don't let that energy "block your blessings" as some might say. Could this be it? Are Christians "honoring" White Ancestors through the use of Jesus Christ?

    I can see myself using this Ancestor to learn their "tricks of their trade" so to speak. So perhaps this is the type of acknowledging I should do. But as we know, love and forgive of such a cruel enemy, is a long path- and while these memories can be left behind as we cross over, IF we choose to cross over is the issue. We can also choose to remain here reeking havoc on a spiritual level too.
     
  7. Music Producer

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    This has come up before on the board when several were talking about ancestral worship and how it is practiced in Africa.

    Us descendants of slaves have a serious problem when we try to emulate home grown Africans that were not displaced and whose bloodline was not disrupted.

    Most of us African Americans and African Europeans will have a white man somewhere in out tree rather he raped our ancestor or she went voluntarily to the masters house either way it went our existence is dependant on that white man.

    Interesting that the topic has returned because that was one of my arguments as to the problem with the concept. Also I argued that we all return to earth thus the ancestors are not souls living in heaven waiting on a phone call but they are people living another life just like you and me.

    The best thing that you could do with this type of ideology is try to bring fourth all of your own previous lives.

    I think the original concept of ancestral worship has been confounded like many other aspects of the Dogon Song.
     
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    Acknowledge them or honor them in order to do what?
     
  9. Yardlee

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    This is very interesting topic indeed. I think it's so fascinating that you all have been able to contact and to experience your ancestors on the other side especially those that are of other races.

    Unfortunately, I haven't been blessed with those opportunities. I have such a large family that I don't know much about. I know most of them are in Coastal Georgia and South Carolina and other parts of the country. I think my family acts like "stereotypical New Yorkers". We are distant and we live in our own individual secluded worlds. My family isn't really all that close. I could be standing in line behind a person at a grocery store and he or she could be my cousin and I would never know.

    But anyways, I wanted to ask? Do you think it's possible that a soul that has had african incarnations would or has incarnated in white bodies too?
     
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    Me either.

    It is nice to hear from other normal human beings. The Dogon say humans were disconnected from the Ether as we were genetically changed.

    But just maybe we continue to have those special people.
     
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