Black Christians : Seedtime and Harvest

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    Genesis 8:22
    [22] While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease
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    Seedtime & Harvest
    by Charles Capps

    "...

    The law of seedtime and harvest is God's method. "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:11-12)

    After the flood, God made a promise to Noah when he had offered burnt offerings to the Lord. "And the Lord smelled a sweet saviour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake...While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." (Genesis 8:21-22) This is God's commitment concerning our planet, and it will be that way as long as Earth is in existence.


    Law of the Seed

    The law of Genesis is one of God's fixed laws, which governs the seed. Everything produces after its kind, and the ability of the seed is in itself even in the natural realm.

    For instance, the seed of strife is in strife itself. If you get into strife with someone, it will create more strife. Yet, if you speak kindness and love, it will produce the same. The harvest is resident in the seed itself even before you choose to plant it.

    Faith-filled words produce faith. Fear-filled words produce more fear. The heart (human spirit) responds to the words (seeds) planted in the heart. Jesus in His own words reveals how the Kingdom of God works: "The sower soweth the word...So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come." (Mark 4:14, 26-29)...."

    http://charlescapps.com/cc_4th_qutr_02.html
     
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    Jesus the Seed

    "..The principle of seed and harvest is so powerful that God used it to overthrow Satan's kingdom on earth and restore man to his rightful role. God sent a seed, His Son, Christ, a seed to restore man. In Genesis 3:15 God promises a 'seed' to Eve that will restore mankind to his rightful place.

    In fact it is this very "Seed" that is given to Mary (the Holy Spirit overshadowed her and she became pregnant with child).This seed resulted in our King being born and literally taking back the keys to the Kingdom...."

    http://www.examiner.com/x-1080-Kentucky-Bible-Study-Examiner~y2008m10d28-Seed-time-and-harvest
     
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    Seedtime and Harvest


    "While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest…shall not cease."
    (Genesis 8:22).

    In Malachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, 'In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.” Many will preach on tithing, but this also talks about offerings (seed). The Lord shared this with me one day “Tithe opens the windows of heaven’s blessing, but offerings (seed) determine the size of the flow. In 2 Cor. 9:6-15 (TLB) “But remember this—if you give little, you will get little. A farmer who plants just a few seeds will get only a small crop, but if he plants much, he will reap much. Everyone must make up his own mind as to how much he should give. Don’t force anyone to give more than he really wants to, for cheerful givers are the ones God prizes. God is able to make it up to you by giving you everything you need and more so that there will not only be enough for your own needs but plenty left over to give joyfully to others. You are not in prosperity until you are able to joyfully and generously give to those who are in need. I’m not saying anything against sacrificial giving or giving in faith believing as in “the widow’s mite”. There must, however, come a time where you have proved diligent in good times and difficult times, where God can count on you to be a good steward. At that time your level of prosperity will grow where as the above scripture says, “God is able to make it up to you by giving you everything you need and more so that there will not only be enough for your own needs but plenty left over to give joyfully to others.”

    The principles are these; that as you love God, tithe, begin sowing seed, and believe (confess scripture over your seed and be thankful, you’ll see your household start to come out of debt. It’s about at this point in time you will see God put in you heart a seed about giving to this person or ministry, (sacrificial giving) this is to stretch your belief system to trust Him and to show you that He can trust you. As you prove diligent, in spite of your circumstances, you’ll see a continual flow of finances come into your life. You see God’s not afraid money will ruin us, but he doesn’t want anything to take us off course in our love and ministry for Him. Many believe that money will ruin us, so they choose poverty. It’s not money that ruins us; it’s using money to fill the love void in our heart where Jesus belongs.

    Continuing with 2 Cor.9:6-15, (vs. 6) “As the Scriptures say: ‘the godly man gives generously to the poor'. His good deeds will be an honor to him forever’. For God, who gives seed to the farmer to plant, and later on good crops to harvest and eat, will give you more and more seed to plant and will make it grow so that you can give away more and more fruit from your harvest. Yes, God will give you much so that you can give away much, and when you take your gifts to those who need them they will break out into thanksgiving and praise to God for your help. So two good things happen as a result of your gifts—those in need are helped, and they overflow with thanks to God. Those you help will be glad not only because of your generous gifts to themselves and to others, but they will praise God for this proof that your deeds are as good as your doctrine. And they will pray for you with deep fervor and feeling because of the wonderful grace of God shown through you. Thank God for his Son—his Gift too wonderful for words”. This scripture is so full of principles for God’s prosperity to us who believe. It says that you will receive according to your seed size. Now, as it says above “ Everyone must make up his own mind as to how much he should give. Don’t force anyone to give more than he really wants to, for cheerful givers are the ones God prizes”.

    Scripture shows if you believe; for each seed you sow, there is a time of harvest. "While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest…shall not cease." (Genesis 8:22). Does the earth still remain? Then seedtime and harvest shall not cease (stop). Some will say “well, I don’t believe that when we give we will get back anything”. Yet scripture teaches.” Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you." (Luke 6:38). Also in Gal. 6: 7 “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap”. The Church of the Living God is now beginning to understand God’s financial plans of “Seedtime and Harvest” for them. You may not, in the beginning understand it all, but what’s important is that once you get the “ABC’s” of this teaching, walk by faith in it; not by sight.

    “And He said, "The kingdom of God is as if a man should scatter seed on the ground, and should sleep by night and rise by day, and the seed should sprout and grow, he himself does not know how. For the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain in the head. But when the grain ripens, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come". (Mark 4:26-29)

    As you confess scripture over your need or situation then believe and don’t doubt; you’ll see what Jesus said come to pass for you. “So Jesus answered and said to them, "Have faith in God (or the God-kind of faith). For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them”. (Mark 11:22-24 NKJ) You see it’s not good enough for it to only happen to Jesus, Scripture says, “let it be done on earth as it is in heaven”. Jesus said many times “the Kingdom of Heaven is in us”. Scripture isn’t of much value if God’s Word principles don’t happen to you and I. Look back at Mark 11:22-24; who is a “whoever”? Are you a “whoever” or whosoever”? I hope you are, as it means anyone who does this. So if you do what a particular says, shouldn’t you be able to see its results, if God is truly no respecter of persons?

    Another principle is that the seed is always much smaller than the harvest. An illustration is that a stalk of wheat has alot of seed in it, but it only takes one seed to grow one stalk which has a lot of seed in it. It’s the same as with corn, it takes only one kernel of corn to grow a stalk that has many ears of corn and each ear has multiple kernels of corn. So what determines the amount of harvest? In farming it’s having well soil (not tired soil), good seed, rain, and good equipment to harvest it. For us as God’s children it’s first to honor God with the tithe or first 10%. Next you need to seed; in 2 Cor. 9:6 (TLB) “But remember this—if you give little, you will get little. A farmer who plants just a few seeds will get only a small crop, but if he plants much, he will reap much.” This is simply saying, if you give just a little seed you’ll get a smaller harvest. You know what I like about even this? It says, no matter what I give, I’LL GET A HARVEST! Amen! But the principle here is true, if you are believing big you will need to sow big.

    Now the question may arise “where do I give my seed?” Wherever the Lord tells you. What do I mean by this? First, if you don’t hear anything give to the place that feeds you most. Your church maybe the place you go, but you may get fed from a TBN, or a ministry elsewhere. Remember that tithe always goes to your home church, always! But seed goes first to ministries that believe in helping you produce a harvest. If the place you’re seeding to or giving extra offerings to doesn’t believe in Seedtime and Harvest, change where you give offerings. Get in line with the Word of God "While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest…shall not cease." Genesis 8:22. Give into ministries that will put and anointing on that seed to get you Debt free. God’s people need to get out of debt, so they can start pouring out financial blessings to those who have need. Glory to God!



    http://www.nemontel.net/~word1/seedtime_harvest.htm
     
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    Appreciated this and the following post.

    In regards to debt though, I wonder how to correlate this to captivity.
     
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    Please elaborate on what context you're using "captivity."
     
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    Forgive if I've overlooked something in the reading, but if this principle consistently works, then how do you explain the violence met upon non-violence evidenced in the '60s? Thanks!
     
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    This principle applied to the Civil Rights Era as well....

    A "seed" of non-violence was "sown" for a non-violent "harvest."

    The "harvest" was not immediate; but it did come.

    Every aspect of living that African Americans engage in today: voting, employment, education, public transportation and dining, entertainment (movies, skating, bowling, etc) is a direct or indirect "harvest" from the "seeds" sown by those Elders who received violence in their non-violent protests.

    They sowed the "seeds" so that we could reap the "harvest."

    So, every day that you go to work,
    every time you take a plane, bus, or train...
    every time you dine-IN at a restaurant, not being served through a back door,
    or stay at a motel/hotel
    or go to the movies,
    or go shopping for groceries/household items and not have to stand aside and wait for any WHITE customers to be served before YOU...
    or every time you go into a dressing room to try on some clothes (because no Black woman could put a dress on her body that a WHITE woman would try on and buy)...
    every time you open the door to your home or apartment,


    Do please remember those "seeds" they sowed for us to "harvest."
     
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    The Harvest has come?

    I do believe that the seed of peace, in terms of non-violence will reap a great benefit but, I do not believe it has come yet, and I do not believe today, that it has come with the vote. Today, the vote has led to WAR and that has nothing to do with 'the seed of non-violence'.

    And that's just it [concerning the list, 'everytime I reflect on the terrible discrimination on my job and hear the comments from other AA, everytime I have to plan transportation around my finances, everytime, I think about the mind deception put out in the theatres that i have to speak about to my kids, everytime I go to the grocery store and think about my finances...I am so reminded of the deception of freedom and equality.

    The school busing issue as a specific issue during that time, and because of deception, I am reminded of how I struggled to provide SAFE transportation for my kids...

    Today, the prison systems also prove that the harvest still has not come.

    In terms of the Bible;

    I believe that sowing good seeds of peace and non-violence can be applied to study in respect to THE ALMIGHTY GOD. But as Sister Blaklioness prompted, i believe that PERSPECTIVE needs to be considered as well, especially in terms of GOVERNMENT.

    I believe that no matter whether the Democratics won or the Republicans won the vote, WAR was already begun and now, my perspective is to figure out how to support our government and at the same time not support issues involved in war that would promote senseless killings and human sacrifice. i believe in NATIONAL SECURITY but, why did America initiate this war? Was it 911, or was it due to unfair trade?...

    In Biblical study, when the Hebrews were enslaved and in captivity in Egypt, they were in a position of suppression and only the ALMIGHTY GOD delivered them. During the time of the Judges, the Hebrews wanted 'a king' and hundreds of years later, they reap the REPERCUSSIONS in a terrible mode because their kings became evil and they were blamed for operating a negative government detrimental to humanity. When the Jews petitioned against Jesus and shouted for Roman rule, about 30 years later, they were slaughtered and driven out of their homelands by the Roman government and, therefore, they reaped a terrible harvest.

    In essence, I believe that we as a people can sow good seeds and/or evil seeds of which will reap accordingly. i believe that this subject of SEEDTIME AND HARVEST needs to consider the very question put forth by Sister Blaklioness because, in my opinion, many AA have not reap a good harvest yet and need to set their sights higher than what this government offers.

    In my opinion, it seems ironic that Dr. martin Luther King represented non-violence and equality for AA and now, here we are supporting a war! It's like a double standard. What kind of harvest do we reap from this?
     
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    yes, when you wrote about 'debt in connection with reaping the harvest' and 'how we as Christians need to deal with debt', I think about the context regarding the hebrew captivity in Egypt and how they were indebted to the Egytians. When the pharaoh got angry and told them to make 'their bricks without the straw[?] and they still had to produce the required bricks, were they not indebted to the Egyptians? the Egyptians put them in bondage based upon supply and demand.

    I believe that ECONOMICS has to be considered in the DEFINITION of captivity versus CHATTEL SLAVERY. A suppressive government can say 'your free on paper' but when the numbers add up, it could present another whole reality; that of deception.

    I believe that AA still have it worse than others on the job market, in education, and etc. and when this is considered, it becomes a question that this government operated in ways that caused unavoidable ways in which to keep most AA in debt; and that to me is captivity. As a whole, how can we come out of this exploitation without help.

    I believe though that if we sow a peaceful seed then we will reap the victory but, we need to address these issues to build hope against exploitation. How did the Hebrews get the victory over their suppression?
     
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    Sister Chevron, I can understand and appreciate your position and passion in this....However, Sister Blacklioness asked how the principle of "seedtime and harvest" applied to the NON-violence met with VIOLENCE of the 1960s.

    And I answered her question accordingly, it is true that we no longer fear VIOLENCE in order to VOTE or sit down in restaurants or ride buses, etc...because of the "seeds" they sowed back then.

    In your response here, you are comparing other components to those sacrifices made back then.....Our people weren't marching and being beaten and lynched over what kind of movies their children would see in the theaters...During the span of the Civil Rights Era, our people weren't being killed because they protested the Korean War or the Vietnam War.---We were beaten and killed because we demanded our Constitutional Rights and to be treated as human beings, not 2nd class citizens...or rather, really not "citizens" at all.

    You can not fairly connect or lay the fault of WAR on Black suffrage.
    This country has engaged in WAR since its inception, long before and since our right to vote.

    So, again, yes, every freedom you enjoy today as a African American is the HARVEST from the SEEDS our Elders sowed in the 1950 and 60s.

    Delayed is not denied.

    We have reaped the harvest of the seeds our Elders sowed.

    But, the "ground" is still fertile for more planting. Now, it's up to US to sow some more seeds.

    So, those other things that you mentioned have to do with what our present generations need to address....finances, discrimination, violence on school buses or public transportation and war and the prison system, etc..

    Yes, there are still changes to face and fight; but, again, we DID reap the harvest of our Elders' sowing.
     
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