Black Money Business Jobs : Seattle Activists Vow to Put $15 Wage on Ballot

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  1. RAPTOR

    RAPTOR Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    By BAR RADIO
    "“We can’t wait seven years for workers to get relief,” said Jess Spear, organizing director for the campaign by 15 Now and the Socialist Alternative Party to immediately raise most wages in Seattle to $15 an hour. A counter-proposal by Mayor Ed Murray’s hand-picked committee, unveiled last week, would phase-in $15 over a 4 to 7 year period, with no cost-of-living increases until the first phase-ins are complete. Spear said the fact that the mayor had to present even a watered-down version of $15 an hour proves that “movements really get things done and change the conversation.” The Socialist Alternative Party’s Kshama Sawant won a Seattle city council seat, last year, on a $15 platform, igniting a groundswell of support for the wage hike. Spears said 15 Now will go ahead with a drive to collect 50,000 signatures to put its own, much stronger proposal on the ballot."

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    that's crazy.. they need to remember that businesses are not anchored to seattle.. and the ones that don't leave will either..

    A. pass the bill onto their customers in the form of higher prices..
    B. reduce their staff, increase the workload of existing staff and reduce benefits to existing staff.
    C. Owner/Operators will get back behind their own counters and take on a greater portion of the workload.

    So.. the overall impact will be less jobs.. higher pay for those that are working.. but overall.. less jobs.. higher prices.. and an overall slowing of the local economy.

    I know it seems like a quickfix.. to just increase the minimum wage.. but it doesn't really work that way.

    I know that if the state came and told me I had to give all of my workers a 40% pay increase, I would have to immediately reduce my staff by 40%.. and take on their hours myself.. and I would not be able to hire as liberally as before.. no more project workers.. no more teenage workers.. no more work-release-program workers.. the numbers would be too high to afford and still make ends meet.
    It may seem that every business person is rich but the truth is most folks I've met are just making ends meet.. albeit bigger ends.. but ends nonetheless.. equity and cashflow are two different things..

    #justsaying..
     
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    Weren't similar 'falling sky' statements made back when we went from $3.25 to $5.15?

    All the "no more" this and that, we see it is coming to that (and in some cases are ready taking place anyway),
    right now as we speak.

    On the front end or back end, this country is gonna pay.

    Businesses are suffering anyway because many
    can't afford what they sale anyway. Why? Because folk aren't making enough money.

    I admire seattle's effort. Whether or not it happens, or happens as soon as they
    wish, who knows. I'd like for to go down so that we can see if there will be the
    catastrophe you speak of.
     
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    Yes, but people want to jump to 1$15 in one leap. What about the people that go to trade schools to learn a trade to be able to make $15hr? Here you can have a person walk right out of high school and make the same wage. Also, these jobs were not meant to raise a family on. You have adults that get into these jobs and camp out there for decades, I've seen them.

    It will, because what do you think the people that earned the right to make that type of money is going to do? They are going to mobilize for wages that people have gone to colleges to earn the wage they get. And why shouldn't they? I went to trade schools and paid my due to make the money I did make, why should a person that has not done any of that make the same money as the people that put the work in? It's just perpetuating the trend of getting something for nothing.

    Peace!
     
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    And yet, no one thinks it matters that CEOs make outlandish salaries:

     
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    What about'em? Plumbers of the world unite, if they feel ego-fied short changed.

    The way I've been charged by plumbers, it would seem to me
    that they are being paid more than $15/hr.

    Why not a leap? In 7 or so years $15/hr would be worth what minimum wage is
    today. Don't forget about those who hire immigrants to do the job, pluming etc,
    for less than the plumbers you advocate for.

    I've seen'em, you've seen'em, yet seeing some is not seeing all. That is to say we don't know every person to person
    with a high degree of certainty why folks don't 'move up'. There are baby-boomers holding off retirement, gates ( 5 or so
    years ago), asking congress to give more green cards to technically skilled foreign workers because, and I'm paraphrasing,
    'there's a domestic brain drain in science/technology fields'. As I've stated before, this country can pay on the front end or back end.
    We see clearly the correlation between employment and crime. Even underemployment lead to significant levels of
    desperation. People who get paid more money can buy things that will keep other people employed. If folks don't get
    paid enough to at least get above poverty, who you think will foot the bill on thing like medicade (sp) housing assistance, etc?
    You, I and other will make up for what employers will not do. ...On the front end or on the back end.

    Let'em. If they think they're being short changed, then they should move on it.
    But what if they don't? For the most part, this is just conjecture.

    This is not quite the meritocracy you seem to be asserting, but lets extend that premise -to why do
    corporations pay less taxes than you, and in some cases, no taxes at all? Why is nascar so heavily
    subsidized? Why are the nuclear plants subsidized? Why can't they pay their fair share? There are
    people/entities that make more than you and I, yet get the hookups and you and I pay for that.
    According to economis r. wolff, he stated that wages inclined from 1820 to 1970. Even through the great depression.
    While wages went down, prices for things went down further. But the game has since changed.


    Listening....., to the interview the lady on seattle's city council suggests that major businesses/companies are the
    entities trying to hold up the process. Not plumbers.
     
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    Little bit of a difference between running a department at walmart an running a world wide company
     
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    The CEO of WalMart makes $20 million/year.
    President Obama makes $400,000/year.

    What's the difference between running a world wide company and being leader of the free world? What's the difference between running a world wide company with 10,000 - 100,000 people and running a nation of 317 million people?

    Btw, the POTUS makes roughly 9 times the salary of the Average (white) American (about $47,000/year). The average CEO makes 331 times the salary of the average (white) American.
     
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    I am all for a minimum wage raise. I don't think the average kid coming out of school deserves 15$ per hour. fast food workers cant even get a simple order right. I don't know the answer but a blanket $15 per hour will not change much. that just gives more money to throw away and then complain about not having. poor people spend more money on BS. designer clothes, high end cars, rims on the cars, sound in the cars, new paint on a new car, hair and nails. weed and alcohol and the list goes on. If we correct our minds things will fall in place.
     
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    Yes there is a difference. That difference also allows the CEO to make the money that make of the the backs of the people in the trenches.

    Fair compenstation. Like someone pointed out here you have to work almost a 1000 years to make what a ceo makes. I understand running a company is different

    but at least cut that down a couple of hundred years. Is that really asking too much?
     
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