Black People : Schooling White people

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  1. Full Speed

    Full Speed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Anyone who has spent any amount of time around White people know they have a tendency to ask questions which come off as stupid or even offensive. The thing is there has never been an open discussion of race in America. There needs to be an open forum where race can be discussed, where White people can ask their stupid questions and we can answer with facts and without becoming offended. Likewise, we can present points which express our thoughts, questions, distrust, and ideologies.

    One might think, "Why should I have to school White folks on things they should already know?" Well, the fact is, rather they should know them or not, they don't. They wonder about things, they want to know things, so sometimes they get the nerve to ask them but when they do, they come off as stupid, offensive, or racist just for even asking such rediculous questions.

    There are NO SIGNS that in the forseeable future we will live without interacting with White people. Getting "offended" accomplishes nothing. In fact, it only plays into the stereo types. We need mature, intelligent DIALOGUE in the face of their stupid questions. We need hold open discussions outside of an emotionally charged setting.

    If you have spent any time interacting with White folks, I am sure you can think of dozens of stupid questions they ask. Here are just a few of many examples of what I am talking about:

    They might ask....
    Why do Black people talk in Ebonics?
    Why did all Black people vote for Barack Obama?
    Why do Black people eat chittlings?
    Why do Black people kill each other?
    Why do Black people call each other the N word?
    Why do Black people have so many children out of wedlock?

    Some of the questions are just plain stupid while others they don't even realize how they or their ancestors contributed to the condition. As in the case of Chittlings, they can't imagine how so many Black people could eat something like Chittlings. Most of them don't even realize this is a result of foods fed to slaves that over time they developed a taste for.

    Speaking to their ignorance is not always productive but being offended by their stupid questions is never productive.

    A productive open discussion requires both parties to accept responsibility for their contribution to problems.
     
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    Our task is to school no one but our children, and encourage our adult population to a level of self sufficiency!

    White folks have enough technology and billion dollar think tanks to learn more about Black history and culture then most of our family in the hood know.

    That snitch on the Gil Noble show about COINTELPRO, stated that it was his white station chief that taught him about Muntu, Kintu and Hantu
     
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    That sounds great on paper, but in the real world we live in....the one where we work with and for White people, live among White people, are governed in a country where White people constitute the majority our task is to school anyone ignorant of who we are and why we are what we are.

    No Race is an island. Get real. Those who are most talking the Black Nationalist talk are DOING the least Black Nationalist walk. Even encouraging self-sufficiency does not free us of interacting with White people...again, I say, NO RACE IS AN ISLAND. The most self-sufficient person you know interacts with White people.

    Technology and billion dollar think tanks cannot school White people what mature and intelligent Black people can teach them about us. The only excuse I see for not actively working towards schooling White people about who, what, and why we are is actively working towards not just self-sufficiency but towards TOTAL INDEPENDENCE from them to include walking away from any expectations of REPARATIONS because if you are not willing to make your case in mature, intelligent dialogue by schooling White people it is TOTALLY unrealistic to ever expect them to feel any responsiblity to pay reparations.
     
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    @Full Speed
    Couldn't agree more with you on this. Surely it makes sense to try and help those white folks who do want to know more to be able to find the answers to their questions. I just don't get the argument that categorizes all white people as racists beyond any kind of redemption. When I was out yesterday in a little french town nearby where we're staying there were lots of kids groups walking around - they were all a mix of black, white and brown - all of them seemed to be getting on with each other perfectly well - I've always noticed this about kids. But somewhere along the line their attitudes are changed - maybe its due to all that media mind manipulation or maybe something else. If white kids were taught black history - about such things as the first black civilizations and about black scientists, writers, artists and so on and if they were taught the real facts about slavery I think that might go a long way towards countering that manipulation. One of the things I notice about living in London is that a lot of white folks are actually scared of black people - you still see some people cross the street rather than pass a small group of black teenagers - I don't think this is because they don't want to come close to black people - its because they're scared stiff they will get attacked, abused whatever - another sign of the way they have been programmed by the media. Admittedly some of the questions you've quoted are on the extreme side of the stupid scale, but no doubt there are people who still don't know even those basic things. Even slightly more intelligent white folks and mixed people like me who've been brought up white find it hard to understand why some black folk use the N word (plus I have no clue even what a chittling is). As far as I can see almost all conflicts between people have been made better by both groups talking to each other. Like in Ireland where catholics and protestants spent decades shooting and blowing each other up with both sides viewing the others as some kind of born-evil subrace that could never ever live in peace with them - but eventually with enough talking people were able to make peace and most of the protestants eventually got to understand that the route cause of it all was their oppression of the catholics over hundreds of years - the same goes for muslims and christians in Bosnia. Anyways that's just my opinion.
     
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    That sounds great on paper, but in the real world we live in....the one where we work with and for White people, live among White people, are governed in a country where White people constitute the majority our task is to school anyone ignorant of who we are and why we are what we are.

    I love you and respect you brother,
    but I grew up middle class, and went to a majority white Jewish schools, both elementary and JHS, and the white kids in Junior High were reading Dick Gregory's autobiography, when many Black students didn't know who he was.
    ad it was a white student in JHS that gave me a copy of "Siege" because his father was the producer of the publishing house that made it.

    I worked civil service in NYC both white collar and blue collar, for a combined 25 years amongst white folks and they don't give a doggone about this,
    the facts about our history or whatever,
    so let's as you say deal with the real life world
     
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    I understand and agree with what you are saying but I don't see it so much as trying to "help those white folks" but rather giving them the truth in a mature, intelligent, and articulate manner. They will do with it as their heart leads but at least they want formulate answers based upon ignorance, stereo type, or media manipulation.

    I have talked to many White folks who were starved for someone they felt comfortable enough to ask their questions of and were relieved that rather than blow up or get offended with them because of their stupid question, I explained to them WHY their question was off base.

    Even in cases were the White persons motives are not pure, I have found it tactically more effective to school them than to become offended. Becoming offended and blowing our cool is exactly what they expect and plays into their stereotype. As an example, a white person might see a news interview of an uneducated Black person from a low income neighborhood and make fun of his lack of language skills. I might say something to the effect of "Yes, it kind of remind me of this redneck bubba I was talking too yesterday...instead of him asking me if I "want to" he asked me if "Yount ta".....I will go on to say "I understand that for generations, it was illegal for Blacks to even learn to read and write and for generations more we have had the worst of education....what I DON'T understand is that WHITE people have ALWAYS had full access to the best education, yet EVERY DAY I run into white people who can't even put together a proper sentence, WHY IS THAT?

    Some white people appreciate learning about Black history and some White people resent it. Like I said, we can school, but it is up to them as to what they do with it in their heart. Some White folks are sincere in their curiousity about Black people, while others are straight up haters.

    We have to be real about this one....some of this is real, legitimate concern, but it is BASED on stereotype. As an example, if a White woman is raped by a Black man, she will fear all Black men for the rest of her life, but if she is raped by a White man, she will not all White men. So we have to accept our part of the equation and not sit in denial acting as though we don't have some criminal elements among us, but we have to make them realize it is a strike against that individual, not the entire race. When Whites commit crimes, it is the individual who is blamed, not their entire race.

    They may be on the extreme side of the stupid scale, but they are common questions.

    I have been Black all my life and find it hard to understand why some Black folks use the N word. LOL

    Chittling is the intestine of a hog, which slaves where fed and developed a taste for and to this day many descendents fo slaves still eat.


    Open, mature, dialogue is a must. If we are going to continue breathing the same air, somebody has to be the grownup, somebody has to open the lines of communications. We cannot be, as Eric Holder said, a nation of cowards when it comes to open discussions of race and race relations.
     
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    ...and exactly how do you propose we do that, by pretending we are building a Black Nation that will not have to interact with White people? by pretending that as long as we live among white people that we are not going work for or with them or them for or with us?

    The real world dictates that we will for the forseeable future continue to live and work among white people, what is the harm in interacting with them in a mature and intelligent manner, schooling them on the truth rather they give a "doggone" or not?
     
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    @Ankhur

    The only excuse I see for not actively working towards schooling White people about who, what, and why we are is actively working towards not just self-sufficiency but towards TOTAL INDEPENDENCE from them to include walking away from any expectations of REPARATIONS because if you are not willing to make your case in mature, intelligent dialogue by schooling White people it is TOTALLY unrealistic to ever expect them to feel any responsiblity to pay reparations.
     
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    I agree totally with Ankhur...our responsility is schooling ourselves and our children...black people need to worry more about schooling ourselves about our past and history which many of us are ignorant of.
     
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    We can and should do both. I am not talking about setting up schools and giving blocks of instructions. I am talking about mature and intelligent interaction in the face of stupid questions rather than becoming offended. I am talking about answering their ignorance with fact rather than emotional and uncontrolled biligerence.
     
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