Black Spirituality Religion : Satan

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    Satan

    What does Satan do? What is Satan’s job as ordained by GOD? As we see Satan in Job, he tests the spirit of man.

    How is this test being carried out today?

    Satan influences the spirit of man to create doctrines that causes man to believe in GOD in any form that is less then what HE is.

    Doctrines that show GOD being whipped until HIS flesh falls off, bleeding to death like a man, being hung on a cross and even dying, all of this being committed and believed by humans. And after all of this have man to believe, confess, promote and minister being accountable for the atrocity and that it was good. As long as you believe in GOD in that image as belittle, weak and powerless, Satan has won. Even when you believe in doctrines that confirm that image, Satan has won.

    Doctrines that show GOD being fat, gross and ball-headed and have men believe that is divine.

    All Satan cares about is causing man, humans, us to believe in GOD less then what HE is.
     
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    here ya go Music Producer ... again ... i apologize for the inconvenience.

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    First of all Who, what, when and where is God Defined to speak for all people at all times?
     
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    Thank you. I understand or overstand... Apology accepted and I understand that I may be a little blunt in my perceptions that cause irritation. In order for one to direct another to GOD (GOOD) one must describe or define Satan (Evil).

    Knowing both of these makes us more like GOD.


    Gen:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
     
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    Could you restate the question?
     
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    Who says your God is the true God? moreover who says that God speaks for all people?
     
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    Isa:66:23: And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

    Jer:32:27: Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?


    Show me another that speaks like that. Show me another book that shows a god making these claims.
     
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    You will not be shown what the master will not present to you. There are several threads addressed to the topic. My way of being fair to others :fight:

    Long before your "stories about the five pointed /angles/angels, :yo: also known as the books of moses :devil: . Khemetic initiate. :laugh: The current linear continuum "fell" down in the "form of clues or archetypes, calling the soul to it's pre-existing purpose. The Unmoved mover!

    So... do not attempt to save what you cannot fathom. Christian missionaries! :wave:

    Atif per em Hru~
     
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    The MYSTER shows HIS servants everything in due time. I will be waiting on you to show me that book.

    If not, then my GOD, the GOD of the Old Testaments is the only one that makes the claim of being the GOD of all flesh.
     
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    First of all, Jesus is not God, Music Producer. Let me point out a few verses in the Bible that prove Jesus could not possibly be God:

    “Jesus cried out with a loud voice, ‘My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?’” (Mark 15:34)

    If Jesus was God, what or whom could he have been praying to? And to cry is a human weakness…

    “Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil.” (Matthew 4:1)

    If Jesus was God, how could the devil possibly be able to tempt Him? Without Him knowing? And what could the devil possibly offer the Creator of the Universe and all that is contained therein? And that includes the devil himself/herself…

    “If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother and wife and children, and brethren and sister, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)

    If Jesus was God, and He so loved the world, why would you have to hate your family and even yourself, when the Bible says that hatred is a sin? (See Leviticus 19:1)

    “In my father’s house are many mansions.” (John 14:2)

    Jesus said in my father’s house…he did not say in MY house. Would it have made sense to say in my house if he was God?

    “I must be about my Father’s business…” (Luke 2:49)

    If Jesus was God, why did he say, “I must be about my father’s business?” In this verse Jesus actually indicates the distinction between himself and his Father…the Father of all humanity…

    The Bible speaks about Jesus being the Son of God…not God Himself.

    Here is further proof that Jesus and The Father are separate entities:

    We know that Jesus was a man…because he was baptized (Matthew 1:25)…he was tempted (Matthew 3:13)…he slept (Matthew 4:1)…he ate (Matthew 8:24)…he hungered (Matthew 21:18 and Luke 24:41)…he weakened (John 4:6)…he said something he shouldn't have said (John 20:17)…and he cried at Lazarus’ grave (John 20:17).

    What is The Trinity?

    The Greek word for “trinity” is “triad” (1 John 5:7). Triad simply means “tri,” which means three. when you take any three things and say they make up any one thing, that would be a trinity. There is no way of have a trinity without first separating each of the three things individually, to declare them a trinity...by that I mean you have to first establish that there is (1) a father, (2) a son, and (3) a “holy ghost.” In order for these things to totally mix and become one they would have to start off equally in rank, quantity, space, density, authority or existence.

    In admitting the son came from the father, time makes the difference; the father would have to have been first. This would make them unequal and incapable of becoming a balanced triad. It did not mean that when it said, “God the Father, God the Son, and God the “Holy Ghost” equals one God, because three cannot go into one.

    Jesus is not alive and the Father is God, not the son. Jesus, according to Christian teachings, died at the age of 33. By saying he is “alive again” means that God died before, which makes absolutely no sense. Christians say that he is alive again for he is God. So what they’re saying is that God died and came back to life, and at some point He stopped being God! GOD IS ALL-EXISTING…and has made it possible for all things to exist. If he “dies,” what do you think would happen to the rest of us? We would all cease to exist as well because we are all apart of the Heavenly Father…

    Also, if Jesus is God, then who was he praying to in Matthew 6:9-13, when he says, “Our father, who art in heaven”? He is not God, or otherwise he would have been praying to Himself. Jesus was an Israelite, and it is common sense that he would not violate such a powerful Israelite/Judaic commandment as the worship of God alone (Exodus 20:3, 4) by claiming to be that very God whom he prays to in Matthew 26:39: “and he went a little farther and fell on his face and prayed, saying, O Father my Father.”

    It doesn’t make much sense for Jesus to pray to himself, for if he was God, he would have no need to pray. In several quotes in the New Testament Jesus made it clear that you are to worship God – and not him. When he made reference to God, he used the third-person singular “him,” not the first-person singular “me.”

    In Luke 4:8 Jesus admonishes the Devil: “And Jesus answered and said unto him, ‘Get thee behind me Satan, for it is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and Him only shalt thou serve.” He said worship HIM, not me...

    In John 4:23,24 Jesus states: “but the hour cometh, and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father seeketh such to worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." He said worship HIM, and not me...

    And in John 14:10 Jesus gives all praise and gratitude to his Heavenly Father: “Believeth thou not that I am in the Father and the father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me; He doeth the works." He used the word HE, not me...

    No man's body can contain God, not if you mean that he has the essence of his father in him… all mankind are God's sons and daughters (read Genesis 2:7)…when God breathed into man the breath of life, “And the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul…”

    However, getting back to the point of whether he incarnated or became himself, there still wouldn't be any need for him to pray or ask for assistance from anyone if he was God…not only would he not need to pray he would have no desire to eat! (Luke 24:41) “Beg that death passes him.” (Matthew 26:39)…"Feared and ran for his life." (John 18:3) which means that God has to run from His Creation...(!)

    Another quality that Jesus did not possess – according to Romans 13:1 and 2nd Corinthians 1:23 – is the power to assign the soul their positions in the hereafter. Only the Heavenly Father possesses such power. Exalting Jesus beyond the truth is shown to be a form of idolatry. Once again in Matthew 7:21 Jesus tells people to “do the will of the Father.”

    In both Luke 4:8 and Matthew 4:10 we come across an incident that clearly contradicts the concept of Jesus claiming absolute divinity. According to these two references – Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, Jesus was put on the cross and left to die. Then, according to those who believe the crucifixion story, at that time Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

    If Jesus was God, he would not have to say any of these things in the first place. How could you possibly forsake your own self? If he was God, he would not need consent from anyone. This could not possibly be the words of a person who saw himself as the Controller of All Life and Death because he cried out, “My God.” It simply isn't logical. Jesus never encouraged anyone to worship him…instead, he taught others to worship his Father…as I have shown you using Scripture...
     
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