Black Parenting : Sagging Pants: The Real Deal

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  1. cherryblossom

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    Sagging Pants: The Real Deal


    By Mike Ramey

    Is it me, or has the “sagging & bagging” issue been getting a few folk HOT “under the collar”? I've had the chance to “read” a host of the so called “wisdom” on the issue of sagging pants. Let me toss in my .02 from the perspectives of being a Gang Specialist and having served in the capacities of Teacher and Probation Officer/Juvenile—Felony Level.

    While SEVENTY PERCENT of Rap/Hip Hop Music is BOUGHT by WHITE TEENS and YOUNG WHITE ADULTS, GUESS who is getting harassed about “sagging pants”? More and more of the urban school districts in America are adopting uniforms to “curb” the problem. More and more local and state lawmakers are “slamming” teens for this “social statement” in an “effort” to “curb crime.” Guess who is getting “hammered” on such wear by BLACKS in education, government, and the law?

    It AIN'T the WHITE KIDS.

    Let's throw some strikes on this topic. Think back, Black Parents and Black Grandparents when Swing and Motown came out? Who were the ones “sneaking into” the Black clubs to “absorb” our culture and music? Hmmm? Now, look at the landscape of complaining today. I'm not hating; I am stating.

    The young, white establishment grabs and mimics the exotic then, after all of the “juice” (race identification) has been wrung out (or twisted) it is cast into the mainstream, and they “grow up.” The only difference is that nobody is picking on other “races.” Educators and Cops are not “wholesale” slapping around whites who mimic the behavior, but those whom THEY 'perceive' originated the behavior are getting rousted.

    I don't care what kind of grades a young Black man or a young Black woman is making. Since many of us have NOT “pooled our money” and “built the economic infrastructure of many of our communities,” the MAJORITY community WILL determine whom and HOW they will interact, based upon APPEARANCE. At 11pm at night when OUR TEENS are “sagging and hootchying” on the public street corner, a GED or High School Graduated Jackie Law white cop with a badge and a gun operates on perception is reality.

    He may “hang” with Blacks and Latinos after his shift, and he may have (like the Michael Bolton character from the hit film “Office Space”) a COLLECTION of HARD CORE Hip Hop in his private vehicle. He MAY even have a Black or Latino woman as his girlfriend or wife. But, once the uniform goes on and the shift starts, guess WHO is the ENEMY?

    Same thing with “Sally Saddleshoes,” teacher, who is in the public schools and in her first few years of teaching; yes, she danced to Rap in the college bars (possibly sans her top . . . but I digress); yup, she can SHOUT OUT the lyrics in her car with her other academic functioning male and female “buddies”; she may even have some Dr. Dre in her CD player or MP3. But from 9 to 5, she is interested in upholding the “system” against the 'barbarian hordes'. She wants her college education loans paid. She is in “survival” mode (because the system has programmed fear into her about “certain” kids) and “going along to get along” (so she may “advance in her career,” and eventually move to a better school district).

    Oh, I've been employed in these professions, once upon a time. I've seen it, up close and personal. For those who don't believe what I am saying, then that's just too bad. Truth is still truth, whether or not you have experienced it.

    Black Parent and Black Grandparent, hear me out. THE REAL BLACK DEAL? OUR teens NEED to re-learn how to dress for success, rather than dress to be a mess in order to survive economically in a land that may send mixed signals about success, but is DEAD UP IN IT concerning “the unwritten dress code.” Sagging equals ECONOMIC pain. . . . EVEN from BLACK employers.

    One thing that is true; the parent or grandparent who “lets” their child set the tone for what the child will or will not do is a FOOL, and is RAISING a statistic. Just in the last 12 months, I have had a former client murdered, the mother of a former client murdered, and another former client NOW, as BARELY adult, facing a murder rap. All THREE of these individuals were given their options well before their troubles by yours truly and others. They “convinced” the adult authority figure in their lives that “they” knew best about “life” and how to “dress.”

    They are JUST as DEAD or in HOT WATER because they DID not LISTEN.

    The Bible says, “The way of the transgressor is hard.” Put simply, those who mock God's authority line, or those whom He determines to be part of His authority line (parents, grandparents, cops, courts, teachers, judges) will have a HARD way to go. Yes, on TV it may be CUTE to have folk mouth off to authority figures, but the REAL DEAL is jail bars are JUST as hard to serve as a “wake up call” to those in real life who want to try it!

    Children need leadership, guidance, and truth from older family members. The REAL DEAL in America right now is that society is SHIFTING BACK concerning casual dress. In the late 1990s, Casual Dress began to be “phased out” of the corporate climate. Next, Hampton University (a Black University) demanded that it's MBA students started coming to class in business casual attire. Recently, a WHITE college's undergraduate Business program ordered their students to shuck the “low riders” for business casual attire to be “ready” for interview, internships, etc. In other words, if you DRESS professional, you will likely ACT professional AND you will be perceived as a professional by the status quo.

    The REAL DEAL? Yup, being played out RIGHT in front of us! Teachers, sadly, do NOT have a dress code, for the most part. Some of THEM don't have the morals of alley cats, and allow their students (some of them our children) to 'slouch' their way through the education process. Law Enforcement (which includes Probation, Parole and Corrections Officers) has a dress code . . . and are trained to spot those who don't obey the code.

    SOME Black Parents and Black Grandparents talk a good game when it comes to what our teens SHOULD be doing, EXCEPT when it comes to the excuses they OFFER for the TEENS in their own HOUSEHOLDS!!! SOME Black Parents and Black Grandparents STILL hold that it is a TRAGEDY for ANOTHER BLACK CHILD to be caught gang banging, but “their” little “darling” was “innocent.”

    MOST COPS operate on the principle: "IF It walks like a duck . . ." They ALSO operate on the term: "Justifiable Homicide" (Well, your Honor, he/she LOOKED like a gang banger . . . so I HAD to shoot! How was I supposed to know that he/she was an Honor Student?

    Let's take a trip back into time. Sagging Pants were BORN in PRISONS! They were done that way so as to IDENTIFY those inmates who were either ADVERTISING for HOMOSEXUAL favors, OR LETTING the GP (Population) know that they would be willing for a QUICKIE. Check it out for yourselves with other family members who had done time in the JOINT. When this FACT is passed on to the sagging thug of today, their response is a blank stare and 'SO'??? However, the REST of society REMEMBERS the CODE! Recently a member of the US Senate had to RESIGN in disgrace because he had sent some signals to a Vice Cop in a public restroom. You think that YOUR child won't be judged by the clothing that they wear?

    When you have teens consuming MASS quantities of Hip Hop videos, coupled with BLACK outlets such as BET, RADIO ONE, etc. putting forth the WORST that there is to offer, and EXPORTING the “Beautiful Lie” into the MSM and the AROUND the world, why do you think there is a problem in us RESPECTING ourselves?

    Hey, this is just my .02. But, take it from me; this “sagging” mentality has spread to the courts, the schools, and the churches. MANY of our young people are IGNORANT of our culture and history and FEW BLACK PARENTS have the guts to confront them with the fact that “African Americans came from Kings and Queens . . . NOT from the gutter!”

    THE REAL DEAL? Are you raising your teen to be a success, or a statistic? If the former, you have my support. If the latter, you have my sympathy, because you WILL be attending a LOT of funerals. Society is shifting away from the “casual” look, and Black Parents, Black Grandparents, and Black Teens need to shift away from the excuses.

    To let the inmates to not only run the asylum; but to die in it to protect some teen's feelings or shield them from reality, or allow them to nurture a warped dream of fashion sense at the expense of common sense and racial pride is not only wrong; it is suicidal! And . . . guess who picks up the tab for allowing the illusion to continue?

    ALL of us...and that's the REAL BLACK DEAL!


    http://www.nathanielturner.com/saggingpantstherealdeal.htm
     
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    thank you mike,as someone who came out of the sixties and a parent i tell my kids that i'm not so far removed that i don't understand[peer pressure-wanting to be so-called-cool]and i tell them about how we dressed with our collars turned up and our hats cocked and broken down[we were a mess]and of course i understand youngfolks expressing themselves in their dress,but this sagging pants thing[even if it hadn't originated in the prison system]it's just-TRIFLING]the problem i have with it mike is that it makes us look like we don't have SENSE ENOUGH to pull our pants up and i'm sure you've heard that from other parents as well,my son knew that the one thing he absolutely couldn't get away with was that look[and of course he tried it for a minute]i don't care what the white kids are doing heck they wanna be like us anyhow to a certain extent,one thing i've learned is that you have to actually TALK TO YOUR KIDS because they know right from wrong but what they don't see is LOGIC and that's where we come in show them the logic or illogic of what they're doing because it makes them THINK and we know that kids don't think about a thing they just react,again great post mike and keep up the great work.
     
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    brother Keita you broke it down to the real truth and perfection
     
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    Good monring, posters...

    And I do hope (if that was true in your neck of the woods) you enjoyed the good weather etc. this weekend...

    :glasses:

    But above and beyond that:

    I'd also suggest that media hyped overexposure, to what is alleged and presumed to be hip and happenin' these days, which leads to some of our young folk to believe just about anything, as contrasted with what it true about more than that sagging pants b. s. craze, is yet another case study that ignorance is not 'bliss':

    So, when it comes to us adults too, ignorance is not 'bliss', i. e., which is why more of us should actually take the time etc. to find out and inform others of our generation etc. which are the new means/ways to remake our folk, as regards into things some of our peoples enemies can more easily exploit and oppress...

    Otherwise, loads of on point/on time commentaries, folks!

    :congrats:
     
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    I cannot stand to see our youth with sagging pants. Some business here are no longer allowing youth to come in their stores sagging. It isn't just the saggy pants that look bad but it's the focus of this article. I think the saggy pants fad has lasted longer because of the hype it receives from those opposed to it.
     
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    Giving the choice of being a reflection of the norm (at the time) and daring to be one of the exceptions:

    Once the Civil Rights and Black Power movements ran their courses, whatever either mainstays idealized viewpoints of the masses, people are just people, as well as after the rallies and protests, etc., most folks bills continued to need paying, etc.

    It's just that some folks past examples etc. few or some or all of us living/breathing/human beings can't go on pretending or contending this or that about who made them...

    I know and understand that our--the urban dwellers--feel and think differently than--say--our rural kinfolk:

    Otherwise, different means/different dreams/different schemes/etc.

    We are who we be:

    Good or bad...

    Warts and all...

    Let us not acknowledge or concede what our mutual enemies would have either or both of us presume or assume about the other...

    Or to put it another way:

    Some of us are the originators, and them the mimics/emulators...

    Nothing new or news about that either!

    FYI...
     
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    Hey chuck come join us in brother's chat on Tuesday nights there is some big things taken place !

    saggin pants....has been blown wide open it sad me too see us taken on such mess
    i wonder how many get a job when they walk in with there pocket at there knees !
     
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    First of all?

    A belated thank you for the invitation, though I don't have a pc, and I wouldn't have been able to participate...

    Second of all?

    It's just a given, if that person's role models and/or assumed 'leaders' are a part of the problem, it's absurd and beyond belief for anybody to dare imply and suggest to follow their leads...

    Simply put?

    Some are copping out!

    Instead?

    Let's those who have and clue as well as true courage please stand up!

    FYI...

    Later...

    Peace...

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    so true .....This my continue daily battle to help as many youth understand the real
    values of life's meaning and to pull them slacks up be more presentable to society
    I agree the media do overexposed us and do play a part into the mental thinking of
    many of our youth that it's hip hop dressing but it's not .

    yes we are in it for the long hual to bring of a change , once a good solid solution
    that will work on the mental change then we will spring into action .
     
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