One is quoting another source to show evidence that Jacob wasn't referring to Dan as a serpent in the Bible?
By the way, the portion you used from Flavius Josephus was referring to the construction of Solomon's Temple... wont be getting into that.
Thought one would have at least stuck to the writings within the Bible though.
Is this ones' only source, because if one has a few more that would be useful to look over and then conclude this other sources material.
I see one continues to slip in the "exalted" for usage of the "Eagle" but here:
Will reply to these with ones' own comments in the first post of this thread...
So the only animal in Hebrew symbolism associated with Judgement, Exalted, Swiftness is an eagle huh?
Again, how was Dan "Exalted" they are not even a part of the 12 Tribes anymore?
Think about this question, slowly.
This is so convoluted and conglomerated from a piecing together of something in the form of theory, when the written text literally states that Dan is literally described in relationship to a serpent, and even furthered by the label of an "adder".... what is an "adder"?
I am reading it right now brother, it's in plain letters.
Gen 49:17
Dan shall be a serpent by the way,
an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
Yes... break it down
Really???
No where in the writings does it refer to Dan as being "exalted", but we are to presume that the one tribe that was removed, is above all of the other tribes because someone's attempt to make Dan an exalted eagle instead of a judgement snake?
There is not disagreement about the "judgement" portion of Dan.
This would then lead to a conclusion that Dan would be Israel's only judge, correct?
Was this the case, was Samson one of many Danite judges?
If so, name the rest and then we can go from there.
But snakes/serpents are also represent as a form of judgement. To persecute the haughty and bring them down to the ground... this is the "adder/horse" analogy".... knock them off their high horse, as a sign of judgement.
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Num 21:6
And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
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Amo 5:18
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end
is it for you? the day of the LORD
is darkness, and not light.
Amo 5:19
As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
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Amo 9:1
I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.
Amo 9:2
Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
Amo 9:3
And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:
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- See the "judgement" being represented here?
Now look at Genesis 49:16, 17 again in comparison...
Gen 49:16
Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
Gen 49:17
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
This isn't even a stretch... it is written.
??? Who said anything about negative
But since it was brought up... go back to Genesis 49:3 - 49:7
Reuben, Simeon, and Levi are all spoken of in a "negative" way...
This is from "Jacob"...
Gen 49:1
And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you
that which shall befall you in the last days.
On Reuben:
Gen 49:4
Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.
On Simeon and Levi:
Gen 49:7
Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
How in the....
Still stuck on the notion that one kept attempting to claim that Dan was "
Exalted".
So you mean to tell me the Dan was
Exalted over Judah???
Maybe one is correct and Dan was once
exalted of Judah, but have to show where this is written or proclaimed.
Read this brother:
Gen 49:8
Judah, thou
art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand
shall be in the neck of thine enemies;
thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
This is the very definition of "Exalt"... is it not?
Judah was praised and exalted for the might and strength, and out of them would come a King of Israel.
What kings were coming from Dan, were there any mentions of anything coming from Dan?
I won't buy into the self exalted Dan story... Dan can be an eagle, but not sure where this "exalted" thing comes from.
And if Judas can be a part of the 12 disciples of "Jesus", then how is it different that one of the original 12 tribes would be represented in such a was also?
Plus, the serpent was mentioned as a judge upon the tribes, as it was be that which sifted the strong will from the weak will, and draw them away.
But if one desires to hold firm to Dan as being an Eagle when Jacob proclaims them to be a serpent... so be it.
This is prior to any encampment or sigils.
Also let me ask this question... Why was Dan removed from the 12 Tribes of Israel and replaced with the son's of Joseph?
What happened?
Really meant pre-Moses and post-Moses
Quoting from Genesis 49 is definitely pre-Moses and pre-encampments.
Now if Dan was conflicted in what they desired to use to exalt themselves, then maybe this is why there are more than one sigil to represent them, so will not argue something that is not written in a the book to represent something written in the book... confusing, see?
It's Cherub and Cherubim(s)... there is no Cherubs. Meaning Cherub cannot refer to a plurality.
Notice the distinction between Cherub and Cherubim(s)
One is referencing one (singular), where as the other is representing a collective of more than one (plural).
Eze 10:14
And every one had four faces: the first face
was the face of a cherub, and the second face
was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
Eze 10:15
And the cherubims were lifted up. This
is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.
2Sa 22:11
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
1Ki 6:27
And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the
one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house.
You mean to tell me that the tribes of Israel (cherubs as you claim) had wings and did fly upon the wind?
Not quite convinced
So when the passage mention "face of a cherub", this cannot be referring to a union of all the tribes.
Does anyone else teach this same philosophy or did one come to this information on their own?