Black Hebrew Israelites : Revelation 6 - The Six Seals Understanding

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    Revelation 6 - The Six Seals

    4 horsemen refer to the 4 Rulerships that would rule earth.

    Rev 6 -1

    " And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see."

    4 Beasts are the Hebrew People = Ezekiel 1-10 ( "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.")

    1. Face of a Man = Tribe of Reuben
    2. Face of a lion = Tribe of Judah
    3. Face of a Ox = Tribe of Ephraim
    4. Face of a Eagle = Tribe of Dan

    Rev 6-2 White Horse

    ""And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

    In prophecy: Horse means A Seat Of Authority or Rulership


    1. Horse = "Rulership and Authority" ( Esther 6 -8 "Let the royal apparel be brought which the king useth to wear, and the horse that the king rideth upon, and the crown royal which is set upon his head:")

    2. Horse = (Ezekiel 23- 6 "Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.")


    3. White = Purity, Righteousness, Holiness


    A. And he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    He that sat on the Righteous Seat of Authority or Rulership who can make war and Rule is Christ.


    Christ and the Angels will return bringing A Righteous Rulership to Earth.

    The Millennial kingdom refers to the thousand-year reign of Christ and the Hebrew people

    1.(Revelation 19- 11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.")

    Verse 14 - "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."


    Rev 6 - 3

    "And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see"

    Rev 6 - 4 Red Horse

    "And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

    1. Red = Edom Seat Of Rulership = Greco- Roman Empire 333.B.C to 193 A.D

    In 333 B.C Alexander the Greek Conqured Persia and all the Middle East to India. The Greco -Roman Empire was prophesied by Daniel 300 yrs before.

    1. Daniel 7- 6- "After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    A. leopard = swiftness
    B. Alexander always wore a leopard skin as a saddle blanket on his horse swiftness and also wore a helmet covered in leopard skin

    C. After Alexander’s death, the Greek empire split into four kingdoms, to the four points of the compass (the four wings)

    4 Wings(Kingdoms)

    1. Ptolemy- Egypt
    2. Seleucus I Nicator- Babylonia, Levant
    3. Antigonus obtained Asia
    4. Lysimachus governed the Hellespont
    5. Cassander possessed Macedonia


    A. And power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another:

    This verse is talking about the wars that were caused by the Greco Roman empire, according to Hebrew Historian Josephus these leaders and their descendants fought one another for riches and power

    "And while these princes ambitiously strove one against another, every one for his own principality, it came to pass that there were continual wars, and those lasting wars too; and the cities were sufferers, and lost a great many of their inhabitants in these times of distress, insomuch that all Syria, by the means of Ptolemy the son of Lagus, underwent the reverse of that denomination of Savior, which he then had."--------Josephus Antiquities of the Jews - Book XII

    also the scriptures backs Josephus 1 Macabees 1-2-4


    1 Macabees 1-2-4 (And made many wars, and won many strong holds, and slew the kings of the earth,

    3 And went through to the ends of the earth, and took spoils of many nations, insomuch that the earth was quiet before him; whereupon he was exalted and his heart was lifted up.

    4 And he gathered a mighty strong host and ruled over countries, and nations, and kings, who became tributaries unto him.)


    Historical Example of the wars of the Edomite Greco Roman Empire when they fought one another according to the Hebrews.


    Revelation 6-5-6 Black Horse = Hebrew Rulership of Africa and Byzantine Empire Middle Ages

    "And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

    And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."



    A. A black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand: The balance scales symbolize the Hebrew People, Balance is referring to the mosaic Laws. This is the Hebrew Seat of Authority or Rulership


    1. Leviticus 19 36-37 Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.
    Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.


    2. Ezekiel 45 9-10 thus saith the Lord GOD; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord GOD.
    Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath.


    B. A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny. This symbolizes wealth and Prosperity for the Hebrew People, NOT A time of famine

    A measure of wheat = PROSPERITY


    To prove this statement lets look at the scriptures that talk about the wealth of Abraham and what a measure of wheat is


    Genesis 13 -2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.


    Now we know that Abraham was RICH lets now go to the scriptures and history to find out what a measure of wheat and Barley is worth.

    Genesis Chapter 18

    And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth

    Lets find out what a measure is

    Ezekiel 45:11

    The ephah and the bath shall be of one measure, that the bath may contain the tenth part of an homer, and the ephah the tenth part of an homer: the measure thereof shall be after the homer.


    Ezekiel 45:11 describes an "ephah" as being one-tenth of a homer. Abraham instructs Sarah to make bread using three "seahs" of flour which is described as one-third of an ephah, or 6.66 dry quarts.


    Historical Note: Pottery labeled "bath" (that was dug up in Tell Beit Mirsim in Jordan) has been found to hold about 5 gallons, comparable to similar containers of the Greco-Roman era with capacities of 5.68 gallons.

    Since Ezekiel 45:11 equates the "bath" (liquid measure) with the "ephah" (dry measure), the best estimate for this volume would be about 5.8 gallons (22 liters). a homer equals roughly 58 gallons.

    According to these measures, if Sarah mixed up three "seahs" of flour, she used nearly 5 gallons of flour to make bread for Abraham's three angelic visitors.


    C. See thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Oil and wine is symbolic for the prosperity of the Hebrew People during the Middle Ages


    Oil = "Symbolic For Prosperity of the Israelite People" (Jeremiah 11-6 "Then the LORD said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this covenant, and do them)


    Wine = "Symbolic For Prosperity of the Israelite People" (Jeremiah 2-21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?)


    Revelation Chapter 6-7,8 Pale Horse The Ottoman Turk Empire 1453-present


    And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
    And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    A. behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.


    The Pale horse is referring to the Turkish onslaught and conquering of the Middle east,Levant, North Africa,and Europe

    Historical Note: During the 11th century the Seljuk Turks grew in number and were able to occupy the eastern province of the Abbasid Empire. By 1055 the Seljuk Empire captured Baghdad and began to make their first incursions into the edges of Anatolia.The victory of the Turks at the Battle of Manzikert over the Byzantine Empire, in 1071, opened the gates of Anatolia to the Seljuk Turks. Although ethnically Turkish, the Seljuk Turks appreciated and became the purveyors of the Persian culture over the Turkish culture.

    B. Power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill:
    The 4th Part Of the earth is the Middle East and the Levant, North Africa and Europe

    Historical Note: In 1453, Ottoman armies, under Sultan Mehmed II, conquered Constantinople. Mehmed reconstructed and repopulated the city, and made it the new Ottoman capital.

    After the Fall of Constantinople, the Ottoman Empire entered a long period of conquest and expansion with its borders eventually going deep into Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.




    Revelation Chapter 6-9 Persecution of Early Hebrew Christians in Rome


    "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    A. I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God: These souls are the Hebrews that were Killed because of their belief in Christ



    Act 7-59 Stephen Is Stoned to Death



    Revelation Chapter 6-10


    " And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

    Revelation Chapter 6-11


    "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    A. And white robes were given unto every one of them- White stands for Righteousness or Righteousness deeds


    B. It was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season- Rest means Death So these Righteousness Hebrew men had were put to death during the time of Rome


    C. Until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. - The Fellow servants are the true Hebrew people who follow and understand the scriptures the 144,000

    Some of these Great Men will die before Christ comes But will be Resurrected when her arrives.

    Revelation 14-13 - And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


    Revelation 12-17 - And the dragon(Edomite Nation- Rome, America etc.) was wroth with the woman(Israelites), and went to make war(Persecutions and killings) with the remnant of her seed(Modern descendants of Hebrew), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.




    Destruction to the inhabitants of Earth

    Revelation Chapter 6-12 Destruction to the inhabitants of Earth



    " And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood

    A. there was a great earthquake; That Earth quake will be cause by Christ, he will cleave the Mt of Olives in too.

    Zechariah 14 3-4-5 "the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof"

    Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

    B. And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood-- Complete Darkness on Earth, No Light, the Sun nor the Moon or Stars will shine their light.



    Isaiah 13 - 9-10

    Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

    10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.




    Revelation Chapter 6-13 Earth Is darkened


    "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."



    A. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth- The light of the Sun Moon and stars will cease

    Exodus 19- 16-18 Most high comes in Great Darkness

    16.And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

    17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

    18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.


    Revelation Chapter 6-14



    "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


    A. heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together- this is the destruction of human life on earth

    Isaiah 34- 1-2 4 Heaven dissolved and heaven shall be rolled together as a scroll




    1.Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

    2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

    3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

    4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

    So in fact the 5th seal is the Destruction of The nations of Earth by the Most High


    Revelation Chapter 6-15-17


    And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
     
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    HELLO MY FRIEND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION about JEREMIAH 15, IT IS A FUTURE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE SCATTERING OF THE HEBREWS INTO VARIOUS KINGDOMS THOSE KINGDOMS ARE MENTIONED BY DANIEL, HE CALLED THESE NATIONS 4 BEASTS OR 4 NATIONS THAT WOULD RULE THE EARTH AND OPPRESS THE HEBREWS TILL THE END OR CHRISTS RETURN.

    Your other question which is a good one "
    Seeing how the Old Testament writings of Daniel, Ezekiel, and "Jeremiah" have similar visions, how does one isolate what they were dreaming about, even down to interpreting them into the paradigm of realism/reality?

    Are these congruent visions, or different accounts of different visions?----UBnaturally

    Good question lets start with Daniel, the books of Daniel mainly deal with the future GENTILE nations that would rule earth (and oppress Israel) from the Babylonians to Rome and from Rome to Modern times, America etc.

    also the books of Jeremiah as well deal with the rise and fall and restoration of Israel and destruction of the Nations.

    Now Ezekiel is one of the toughest to understand no one on earth can decipher what a cherub is. Example

    Eze 10

    2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
    3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.

    The Man in linen is Christ, it is impossible (for now) to really understand what a Wheel is, its not a tire or some primitive wooden wheel I think it has to do with the Truth being taught correctly in the last days to bring fourth the restoration of Israel

    in Eze 10 verse 6 it reads "Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims;"

    first in scripture FIRE is symbolic to the WORD OF GOD

    Jeremiah 23-29
    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

    SHALAM!
     
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    And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    The first was like a lion, a second, like to a bear... another, like a leopard... a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth


    And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.



    And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.


    And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.



    • Lion, Bear, Leopard, fourth beast with great iron teeth


    • Beasts of the earth, Dogs, Swords, Fowls


    • Lion, Man, Ox (calf), Eagle


    • Lion, Man, Cherub, Eagle


    • Lion, Man, Calf (ox), Eagle


    Are each of these "4 beasts" Angels?

    And if these are not all referring to the same thing, which has occurred and match the "4 beasts" to something relative to conclude that these are not the same predictions using different namings for the "beasts".[/QUOTE]

    Shalam I think I understand what your saying. Animal Symbolism is used to describe the attributes of God, Angels, Nations, I will give you an example:

    This scripture takes place during the Macabees. It describes an event that took place when Heliodorus went to Israel to cause trouble for the Hebrews, Angles stepped to him, this is what happened also notice how the angles are described

    2 Macabees 3-24-26
    Now as he was there present himself with his guard about the treasury, the Lord of spirits, and the Prince of all power, caused a great apparition, so that all that presumed to come in with him were astonished at the power of God, and fainted, and were sore afraid.

    25 For there appeared unto them an horse with a terrible rider upon him, and adorned with a very fair covering, and he ran fiercely, and smote at Heliodorus with his forefeet, and it seemed that he that sat upon the horse had complete harness of gold.

    26 Moreover two other young men appeared before him, notable in strength, excellent in beauty, and comely in apparel, who stood by him on either side; and scourged him continually, and gave him many sore stripes.

    Now UBnaturally did you read the description of the Angels
    The angels are described as looking just like men there are other examples as well such as Joshua 5-13-15 and Genesis 18-2

    Joshua 5-13-15
    And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
    14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

    Genesis 18-2
    And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground.

    See in both scriptures Angels are always noted as being men not animals nor little gray men

    lets review:

    the angels have been described as looking like:

    1. Looking like young men
    2. Notable in strength
    3. Excellent in beauty
    4. and comely in apparel

    So when we read scriptures like Eze 1 -10 it says

    Ezekiel 1-5
    (Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man)

    Ezekiel 1-10 ( "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.")

    He said likeness, meaning attributes like a lion, like an eagle So these angels that look like Men have characteristics resembling Lions, Eagle Etc

    1. Angels look like Young Men- Face of A man
    2. Face of a lion= Lions in the Bible represent power and strength
    (2 Macabees 3-26 "Notable in strength")
    3. Face of a Ox = Service to the most high
    (2 Macabees 3-24 Now as he was there present himself with his guard about the treasury, the Lord of spirits, and the Prince of all power, caused a great apparition, so that all that presumed to come in with him were astonished at the power of God, and fainted, and were sore afraid
    4. Face of a Eagle = Warriors, military might, swiftness, rising above
    (2 Macabees 3-26 and scourged him continually, and gave him many sore stripes.) Angels hand out judgement.

    UBnaturally when u read this respond and let me know if you understand this part first
     
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    Actually its just the symbolism thats confusing you once you understand biblical symbolism you will understand all scriputres

    Now UBNaturally the scripture in ALL cases describes Angels as looking like a Man and nothing else the Most high does not make Chimera looking beings thats an abomination

    It seems that your confused on the word FACE and the symbolic meaning of the word. lets go over it ok!

    Are you familiar with the Strongs concordance?

    In the strongs concordance look up Face which is called paniym it is a plural word and reflects the Hebraic sense of motion as the face reflects many different moods, emotions and thoughts. This Hebrew word can mean the face but also the "presence" or the "wholeness of being" of an individual.

    Look up Strongs Concordance FACE #6440

    So depending on the CONTEXT of the scripture the word "FACE" can mean "presence" example 1 Chronicles 12:8


    And of the Gadites there separated themselves unto David into the hold to the wilderness men of might, and men of war fit for the battle, that could handle shield and buckler, whose faces were like the faces of lions, and were as swift as the roes upon the mountains;

    See the Gadites had the FEARSOME Presence like a Lion and Fast like a Deer.

    The Gadites are Men who's presnece is like a LION

    Same with the Angels as well, hope that clears it up for you
     
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    Shalam! friend Actually we need too try too find out what a WHEEL is and a CHERUB and wings. I do not think Wings is referring to feathers or Leather bat wings.

    I f you have any scriptures or history on this subject let me know.

    Cherub seem like Angels they can talk

    Revelation 6 -1

    And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

    But also King David said that the Most high flys with these beings


    Psalms 18-10

    And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

    hit me back if you find more answers
     
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    You still think angels look like animals my brotha or 6 foot greys right

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    angels look just like men scriptures

    This is a description of Christ by Daniel Daniel Chapter 10-18

    " Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me"

    This is Christ check it said that he Had An appearance of a Man meaning this being looked just like a man but not mortal

    Now UBnaturally look at Ezekiel Chp 1-5 These angels also have an appearance like a man JUST LIKE CHRIST

    "Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man"

    That was the first thing Ezekiel noticed was that they looked like men

    Also you have to take in consideration The Most High himself he also looks like a Man according to Ezekiel

    Ezekiel Chapter 1-26

    26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

    Once again the statement here proves that

    1. God himself looks like a Man
    2. Christ looks like a Man
    3. The Angels look like Men

    I can do this all day my brotha. So yes Angels look just like Powerful Men
    including the 4 beasts

    If you disagree please provide scriptures that prove angels, God, Christ, look like something else besides men.

    also why do you believe that their was a virgin birth even though scripture does not back up that idea or philiosphy
     
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    Ok! my bad I will let you know what a cherub is as soon as I can still researching
     
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    To answer your question Is a cherub an Angel? Yes they are Angels

    The word angel in Paleo Hebrew is Malak = a messenger

    Strong's Hebrew: 4397. (malak) -- a messenger

    Malak- from an unused root mean, to dispatch as a deputy; a messenger; spec, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet,priest or teacher):—ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

    4398.- Malak (Chald.), malalt'; corresp. to 4397; an angel:—angel.

    The 4 living beasts fall down and worship the Lamb, Jesus Christ, offering the same reverence to Him that they did to the Father.

    Revelation 4:9

    "And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever"

    So according to the Hebrew the cherubs would fall under the angel category

    Remember they look like Men Too
     
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    Shalam! I have gone over and read all scriptures concerning these 4 faces or cherubs ox,lion,eagle,man I was even reading till my eyes turned "RED" This is what I found out, I think it is all symbolism concerning the punishment and captivity of the Nation of Israel. I will explain

    When the Israelites left Egypt they set up a Encampment in the wilderness out side the land of Israel during the time of Moses. They were told to make a banner representing 4 tribes

    Numbers 2-2 Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their father's house: far off about the tabernacle of the congregation shall they pitch.

    A standard is a sign or Banner and 4 tribes set up a banner one on the East,West,South,North. The standard of Judah bore the figure of a lion

    2. Tribe of Reuben the likeness of a man or of a man’s head
    3. Tribe of Ephraim the figure of an ox
    4. Tribe of Dan the figure of an eagle

    JUDAH EAST -> LION FLAG
    EPHRAIM WEST -> OX FLAG
    DAN NORTH -> EAGLE FLAG
    REUBEN SOUTH -> MAN FLAG

    ironically these standards match up to the 4 faces of the four living creatures in Rev 4-7 and Ezekiel 1:10; 10:14

    I am going to show you the proof that these tribes represent these faces

    Lion- Tribe of Judah Genesis 49:8-10 "Judah is a lion's whelp; from the prey, my son, you have gone up. He couches, he lies down as a lion, And as a lion, who dares rouse him up?"

    Ox - Tribe of Ephraim Hosea 10:11 "Ephraim is a trained heifer that loves to thresh, But I will come over her fair neck with a yoke; I will harness Ephraim, Judah will plow, Jacob will harrow for himself"

    Eagle- Tribe of Dan. Dan means judge Genesis 49:16 "Dan shall judge his people, As one of the tribes of Israel" the symbolism of the eagle is often connected with judgment

    Jeremiah 49:22 "Behold, He will mount up and swoop like an eagle and spread out His wings against Bozrah; and the hearts of the mighty men of Edom in that day will be like the heart of a woman in labor.


    Man- Tribe of Reuben Genesis 49:3-4
    3.Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
    4.Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

    Here is what the encampment looked like
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    Hit me back soon I have more info on this subject and I think I can reveal what a Cherub is

    SHALAM!
     
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    UBNaturally remember Ezekiel said " I saw visions of God."

    so this is not a literal understanding and these cherub being are not beings at all I have proof


    UBNaturally When I read more closely at the 4 cherubim and 4 faces of Ezekiel’s vision, I notice a very interesting parallel.


    Ezekiel 1:10
    As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.

    Now Ezekiel said that all 4 faces had the face of a man meaning mankind or the Israelite people, The face on the right was that of a lion, which would correspond with the encampment of Judah ON THE EAST (right) side of the tabernacle. The face on the left was that of an ox, which would correspond with the encampment of Ephraim to the WEST of the tabernacle.

    And that would make the face at the top to be that of an eagle, which would correspond with the encampment of Dan on the NORTH side of the tabernacle. Thus, the face in the lower position on the cherub (the man) would correspond with the encampment of Reuben on the SOUTH side of the tabernacle.

    The reason for this vision is because it was designed to be symbolic of the nation of Israel as the evangelistic servant of God, which is about to come under severe discipline from God.

    Also compare Ezekiels vision with johns vision in rev 4-7

    The living creatures of John’s vision are designed to be symbolic of the nation of Israel, but from the perspective of INACTIVITY. They are still the focal point of God’s plan for humanity on the earth so are shown to John in his vision. The description of these creatures with the 4 faces corresponds with both Ezekiel’s vision and with the four primary banners of Israel’s encampment arrangement.

    Lets compare the 2 visions of John and Ezekiel

    When Ezekiel sees the symbolic vision of the cherubim, they appear different because there is a different significance.

    For Ezekiel, Israel was still a functional nation with a job to do and that job was to teach the world the Truth of who God is but Israel never followed the scriptures thats why judgement was done to Israel and they were scattered.

    The symbolic cherubim on the symbolic wheels, moving in various directions communicates the purpose of Israel as the evangelistic agent to the world.

    As with John, Ezekiel does not need to question what these four faces mean. It would have been clear to him that they indicated the four banners of Israel and as such symbolized the nation of Israel as a whole.

    As with John, Ezekiel does not need to question what these four faces mean. It would have been clear to him that they indicated the four banners of Israel and as such symbolized the nation of Israel as a whole.

    In Ezekiel chapter 10, the 4 cherubim are shown to depart from the temple, along with the Spirit of God. This shows that God has temporarily turned away from the nation during the Babylonian captivity, which will last for 70 years. During that time of national discipline, the nation will not function as God’s evangelistic agent.

    In Ezekiel chapter 10, the 4 cherubim are shown to depart from the temple, along with the Spirit of God. This shows that God has temporarily turned his back away from the nation of Israel during the Babylonian captivity, which will last for 70 years. During that time of national discipline, the nation will not function as God’s evangelistic agent.

    John’s vision

    Rev-4-7
    And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

    Notice in johns vision the symbolic cherubim are shown without the wheels and without the rapid movement in various directions.

    But the Most high still has a major role for the nation of Israel. In fact, His plan will revolve around the Hebrew nation all the way to the Millennial Kingdom Accordingly, John is shown these symbols of four living creatures as representatives of the nation of Israel.

    Remember John does not question who the living creatures are or what the meaning of the 4 faces is, for he understands it based on his knowledge of the Old Testament.

    This Identification of the emblems on these four banners, it seems to be a reasonable deduction to identify them as summarized above.

    1. The banner to the SOUTH of the tabernacle would have had the face of a man.
    2. The banner to the EAST of the tabernacle would have had the face of a lion.
    3. The banner to the NORTH of the tabernacle would have had the face of an eagle.
    4. The banner to the WEST of the tabernacle would have had the face of an ox.

    UBNaturally let me know if you understand this info

    SHALAM! LUV IS LIFE
     
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