kemetkind said:
Couple key points.
1) A miniscule percentage of the slaves lived in "union" states at the outset of the war
2) The emancipation proclamation didn't free nothern slaves but led to the 13th amendment which did
3) The context leading up to the civil war had two clear sides
side A- the whigs-->republicans-->Lincoln...did not want to allow the EXPANSION of slavery into any new territories or states.
side B- the southern white democrats--->slave holding indians--->jeff davis....wanted to EXPAND slavery into new territories.
Side A was willing to go to war to force Side B to follow the laws enacted by the nation.
Side B was willing to go to war to not have to follow those laws, and to preserve their right to expand slavery.
It is absolutely amazing to see this black support of the confederacy when the historical is clear on this.
I've READ about black people who claim because of their white ancestry they are "sons of the confederacy"...they attend confederate civil war re-enactments and proudly display the confederate flag.
Since I do not have such ancestry I can't speak to how they feel, but from the outside, they look mighty confused.
1. My arguments presented here and in other posts do NOT amount to "black support of the confederacy" as you alledge, but to make clear that the Civil War was not fought by the "Union" to FREE Black people. Their motives were to PRESERVE WHITE SUPREMACY, and to expand the Northern industrial base of capitalism.
2. Not all Blacks were "slaves" at the outbreak of the war, and there were Union officers who lived in southern states such as Louisiana, and SOME Union officers were slaveowners. I am not going to be one to attempt to deny that they were slave owners and did NOT have Black peoples interests at heart. You can as you will. Miniscule numbers, or not, the fact remains, they did NOT fight the war to FREE Black people.
3. Since I do NOT make any claims to be a "son of the confederacy" I view your mention of this in response as an underhanded attempt to twist my statements to fit your misconception.
Interesting how you continually attempt to criticize others for name calling yet you treat certain members as the "enemy" just without OPENLY stating such, even though this you do in a sneaky manner.
As far as looking "confused" is concerned, well....I have spoken not of "white ancestry" in this situation, not even close....but of the experience of the FREE BLACK OFFICERS in the Louisiana Native Guard, and their treatment by the white Union officers.
This is an aspect of the Black experience that is hidden so as to continue the perpetuation of the lies epoused by the republicans concerning them being the "anti-slavery" party.
Now if I was to speak of my "ancestry" and their participation in the civil war, both black or white, in one family (DEMERY) out of 17 civil war veterans, 12 fought for the union, and 5 for the confederacy.
What's funny to me is your mention of other folks "ancestry" which makes me wonder if you even KNOW for sure who your ancestors are.
At least I have taken the time to research my family "history", and am able to shoot holes through various lies and myths created by white supremacists to keep black folks in mental servitude and supporting their various political parties with a faith in the colonial government.
A lot of Black folks are in denial of any white or native ancestry, but the fact is from the earliest colonial period Africans miscenated FREELY until 1690 with whites and natives, and after that period, miscegenation continued.
By the way, I agree that NO, "Lincoln didnt care for the slaves."....No more than Thomas Jefferson did for the kids he fathered by Sally Hemings.