Black Spirituality Religion : Religion versus Science

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    I have been thinking about science and religion lately. I was thinking which one actually conquers. I still don't really know. I have several ways up putting this, but I am going to at least post one. I might post another later. I don't know.
    Just to inform you readers, everyone has different views on religion and life in general and, I respect that. These are one of my personal opinions about it. No offense is meant to anyone.

    Religion
    -Pros
    Gives a good moral character development enviornment
    Focuses on Family and in Learning from our mistakes
    -Cons
    Has issues with the fact, that each religion may not have all the answers, and assumes they are the only way. Which is more of a business tactic, then a sincere belief.
    Can cause irrational thinking.

    Science
    -Pros
    Has methodical ways of looking and examining problems and issues.
    -Cons
    Has no ethical or moral standard, other than to be accurate.
    There have been lots of evil scientists, which I know isn't all.

    My humble opinion, we need a new universal theory of life. That combines the best of both.

    Although science is cool and deep thinking, it has no moral character that it specifically instigates.
    Religion is great at creating places to instigate moral development.

    To me neither is perfect.

    It's like Yin/Yang, Man/Woman, Good/Evil it is a reasonable duality.

    However our lives should compose of both, so that we take advantage of both our logical and ethical selves.

    Other perceptions are welcome.
     
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    EXCELLLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT POST!
     
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    While We Are On The Subject Of Christianity

    I would like to address another point . How did mary have a son without a ' Y' chromosome ? Christians say it was a divine intervention ? Can anybody tell me howdivine it was ? how divine was it that a spirit came down to May and placed a son in her ( Koran 4 ; 171 , Luke 1; 31-35 without a man and '' No Semen '' was involved and a son was born . Name Jesus Christ or Isa Ibn Maryam as muslims say ? We all heard that story before haven't we ? You believe it in most cases at one time . Didn't You ? You dared not question , that the same God who has the power to send as enitity into earth carrying his divine gene has not the power to be him . This is read funny . Gabriel comes with God's gene in him not as God . But merely as a holy ghost . If you got the genes in you the then you are as great as that person Scientifically . If You Have The
    '' D.N.A.


    This man here gave birth to that man there and that man has D.N.A. And R.N.A. And X and Y Chromosomes because of him and the mother . That man is as divine as him , He may have more wisdom because he has been on the planet earth longer . But he's going to have another kind of wisdom because he has been on the planet earth longer . He's going to have another kind of wisdom when he reaches his age because of the changes that are talking place on the planet earth . But you'll tell me that an angel came out of the sky and took on the form of a man and had a package with him and this package was a package of God



    Come on now . Listen to this with '' The Right Kind Of Mind If You Can ''Because we've been forced to LQQk at this without thinking . For we were afraid to question . I'm telling you God is not worried about you questioning him . That's why he's called God . So , you don't have to worry about your stupid human question shaking him . God is sitting on a throne worried about you question his Authority ? Come on ! He could have just stopped the Question From Entering You mind . ( Its You Christian And Your Minister /Pasture Etc . Who Fear Being Question You Are To Scare And Lazy To Question And ReSEARCH The Information For Yourselves ). Now let's get back into reality .



    It take an X and Y chromosome to produce a male child . Mary had two X chromosomes . So Where Did The Y Chromosomes Come From ? Because if it was in the package of God then you know what God has , An X and Y chromosomes . God has D.N.A. God Has A Blood System . A Respiratory Systerm . A Circulatory System and God Stands . Sit , Walk . Taks . See . And Smells . According To The Bible .The Fact That If He Gave A Woman A Y Chromosomes That She Didn't Have . So She Can Give Birth To A Son Then God Is A What ? A Mortal . Just Like You . And Again Then Tell Me Why Did God Have To Do That ? Did Jesus Whom Some Refer To As God . While In The Flesh . Have A Blood Type And A Fingerprint As God ?



    Many would like to believe Mary conceived Jesus of an '' Immaculate Conception '' And That Their Was No Physical Contact . However . ' That Is Scientifically Impossible . It takes one '' X '' and one '' Y'' chromosomes to produce a male child . And it takes one '' X '' and one '' X '' to produce a female child so . If Mary was a female --- and Mary was a female -- Thus she only had the capacity fot the reproduction of A '' X '' pLUS '' X '' Chromosomes . In order for a male child to be born through her there must have been A '' X '' chromosome at the point of fertilization to produce a son . Thus . some male counterpart , Namely Gabriy'el ( A Well - Made Man . Daniel 9;21 ) . Had to have Ejaculated Semen Carrying A '' Y '' chromosome to mix with her own Ovum with an '' X '' chromosome to produce an '' X '', Y '' Manely Jesaus . A Male Child .



    Christians have been pushing this rediculous story for 2,000 years and no one have used their So - called Logic To Simply Say . '' This Just Doesn't Make Any Sense ! '' And When Someone Like Myself Comes Along And Asks Question Like These , They . Try To Evade Them And Label Me Some Type Of Anti - Christ , Blasphemer , Anti - God --- Or Simply Crazy Never Answering The Question . Christian Response Is [ But Can't God Do Any And All Things ] The answer is simply no ! Why would he have to do it that way ? God Cannot Becaome Less Than God And Still Be Considered God . You Can't Be All Powerful And Become Less Then All Powerful And Still Be All Powerful . And if God intended to use miraculous powers ...
    ( Matthew Chapter 2 ) Then The Baby . The Pregnancy , The Travailing In Childbirth , And Pain Would Not Have Happened Or Even Been Necessary At All . God could have instead , Waved his hand and Poof Jesus Is Right There . A Full Grown Man ! Just like he Supposedly did in Genesis 1 ; 3 . When He Made The Statement '' Let There Be Light '' A Presto The Ligh Was There .


    If you really read . Analyzed and studied the bible in its original languages . You would find out for yourself that the god you've prayed to and cried to all these years , Has been a wimp all this time . Your mistake was never bothering to question '' Why Did God Let This Happen ? And Why Did God Let That Happen ? And If You Did . You Either Kept It To Yourself Or You Didn't Get A Real Answer . Many contradiction andlies that have been put together to make up your holy book called the bible andquraan , Have been put there by those so-called religious intellects who also created your monotheistic religions ( christianity , judaism , and islam ) . And your God/ Jehovah / Yahweh / Allah as well . The creation of religion is what started a Hierarchy and then a cast system ( system of classes ) . This was made up by those people like The Pope and the Grand Shaykh and Great Rabbis and their holy places being the '' heads '' of the major three religions , That Decide Who Is Evil AndWho Righteous . Thereby creating your God Who Is Supposed To Be Good And The Devil Who Is Supposed To BeBad , Each Need Each Other To Exist .


    After researching , you will realize that the so-called God you're worshipping is not who or what you think '' He or '' She '' is. How many times has your God prevented someone you cared for from losing their life
    , Or '' One God '' . Or from having an incurable disease orburned A house with innocent kidin it . While the crack houses standstrong ? The dens of iniquity called strip or pornography clubs . Bars , Liquor stores , Gun stores . and pornography stores almost never go up in flames . You areso afraid to question that God that was given to you from fear of being called a blasphemer or a devil . You are so afraid . That you blindly continue believing in what . Your - man - made religion teaches you about God . Actually ( You're ) Blasphemer because all Throughout The Scriptures , The God That You Worship Is RAepresented As A Killer And Destroyer ( Genesis 6 ; 7 , Exodus 4; 24 ) . You See . The people who made your bible made God look like a bad person .


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    WOW! You really have an Anti-Christ spirit upon you. Most Christians who have wisdom and understanding, also remember that in Ecclesiastes 3:15 theres an interesting thought to ponder.."That which is has already been, And what is to be has already been.
    Theres nothing new under the sun :teach:
    Most Christians, me included believe that Mary was artifically inseminated. Hence, a virgin birth.
    You seems to love to research IssaEL, even encourage it. This is nothing new. Today you can find that single, virginal women have gotton pregnant by this method...........nothing new under the sun
     
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    The Best Is Yet To Come . I Know I Can Count On You Reading Everything I Post Because You Can't Help Yourself Laughing .. ButYour Wrong About One Thing You Have No Wisdom At All . I Know You Will Never Admit It But You Have Learn More About Your Bible From Me Then You Could In A Life Time .. Your To Busy Playing On Words . And Trying To Play These Silly Mind Games .And Your Missing The Point . ( You Have Tunnel Vision ) .
     
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    Well I thought some more... still no answer, but.....

    :uhh: I'm still asking: Which One Triumphs? Well, when religion and science conflicts, it is science that prevails. I don't think anybody can really argue that the earth is the center of the universe. But this kind of conflict isn't what puts science and religion at odds.

    What puts science and religion primarily at odds is the tendancy for science to reduce things down to their foundation, and religious ideals such as the soul, free will, etc, are nowhere to be found. This is not to say science has disproved such concepts, it is only to say that science has rendered them superfluous. Okay, maybe disproven, haha... it depends on where you draw that line, but in this certain sense, scientific thinking and religious thinking are not incompatable. They're just not very amicable towards each other.

    But it truly is a religion vs. science debate many of times, despite what many would say. In my personal experience, in general, i have noticed that the more religious one tends to be, the less scientific they tend to be. And i think this has alot to do with the spirit of scientific thinking. The scientific method is the antithesis to faith in a distinguished sense, and this tends to promote ad hominem attacks from the religious believer on claims from the field of science. Like, "oh those d*mn scientists, always with their proof... prove this, prove that.. what do they know". Well, proof is nice.


    Ok, I'm through yapping and yapping for now
     
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    scientific will wins hans down


    scientific will win hands down , from thedoor
     
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    Ahhhhh I get it now!!! Your a mad scientist. :thinking:
     
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    Religion VS Science / The Creation Of Your Solar System

    Ninety and three billion years ago your solar system formed out of gigantic whirling dust cloud and gas , as aresult of the collapse of that great star Aum . Elyown Elyown El . The Most High , Al ' Aliy or El or Illa who is known as simply Allah Rabb And Yahweh Or Ha Shem And Ra , And Anu . All of these names called by all of these people but isone and the same , who created this universe and the planet called Earth for his blueprint of '' physical creation '' . Meaning these two entities , the skies and the Earth , marked the beginning of everything to come , and that it was the spirit of the Most High that controlled everything to quicken and come into being-come to life . So he is called Al Nuwr Al Samawaati Wa Al Ard , The Light Of The Galatical Heaven And The Planet Earth . This mark the time when the explosion came from combining two hydrogen atomsto make helium . And then the combination of the two gases which led to a series of chain reactions exploding and the creation of the Shamsun . That cloud of dust and gas existed unformed in theuniverse then it began to collapse . The brought two hydrogen atoms together to form helium . Stars such as your sun , stay hot because of nucleus changes in their centers . As five hundred and fifty and four million tons of hydrogen ( H ) change into five hundred and fifty million tonsof helium
    ( He ) each second of your sun . The remaining four million exploded from the center giving birth to sun spots or electrical storms on the sun . This was the birth of your sun originally called Apsu , known today as Shamash or Shamsun by the great ruler The Most High The Highest .



    Between these two gases light fire came into being . . The sun's energy comes from the changing of hydrogen ( H ) to helium ( He ) at a temperature of about , thirty million , and one hundred and seventy and five thousand , two hundred and sixty and two degrees farenheit . Helium buring , gives off hydrogen which in turn , makes more helium ; The is what makes the sun a ball of gas , which is constantly burning . This turning of atoms causes the explosion , also called electrical storms . These storms give off sparks of hydrogen and helium to fling out into the universe , Upon being flung out into the universe , whirling at tremendous speed , these sparks of burning gas began to cool to a lesser degree of heat and settled in different places within the universe . We call these planets , stars . and other galaxies . And from your sun's electrical storms came the birth of your solar system a large universe , a Super Nova , which exploded . This is the third degree of darkess . This explosion caused the reverse action from expansion to retraction that led to the collapse . This Super Nova was one billion light years away at that time . A light year is the distance light can travel in one year . A Super Nova is a cluster of stars that make a sudden appearance in the sky , generally decreasing rapidly in brightness . Light travels at one hundred and eighty six thousand , and two hundred and seventy and two feet pers seconds over a period of sixty five and three hundred days .


    That means light travels five trillion , eight hundred and seventy and four billion , two hundred and seventy and three million , seven hundred and ninety and two thousand feet per second each thirty and one million , and five hundred and thirty and six thousand years . This Super Nova was apart of a cluster . All clusters move away from each other . A cluster is one of many froups of which galaxies exist , noneteen to be exact on this side of the massive black holes ; whose vortex open every ten Earth years . After a universe collapses in itscenter , which is an explosion called a Big Bang , producing the sound '' Kha '' from which the word '' Khalaq comes . It is the same sound that each being that comes into this world remembers and say while yet a babe . Now , each universe begins expanding and growing larger , until it reaches a point where it bounces off of other expanding universe and being to contract only to collapse and explode again creating or reconstructing new universe , Atoms and cells all do the exact same thing the human body does ; it grows and expands until it collapses ;you call it dead . So , the universe does the exact same thing ;it dies . When a universe dies , it explodes and cause the reverse of an expansion . The space beteewn galaxies is always getting bigger . So billions of years ago , galaxies were closer and closer , before expanding .


    There had to be a point of starting . This would have all the galaxies crunched together into a small space . Seventy and six trillion years ago , the small dot or nuqta exploded andthis was called the Big Bang . Which caused the explosion of positive and negative forces causing the negative and positive force to clash into each other . By the will of Elyown Elyown El . who is outside of your time zone ,making it hard for you to OverStand just how Elyown Elyown El exists ; That was the very beginning . And the Time Al Sa'a, the time , Al Waqt . Al Asr , It says in Al Quraan in the thirteenth degree which has been change to the one hundred and third degree verse one through three ; ( The time of the squeezing when Enosites souls will be squeezed from their bodies , Surely this is the age when the Insaan . Enosites , are overcome by defeat except for those who are faithful and work to perfect their being and are advocates of the fact and endure patiently .;... By the measurements of time when it begins and when it ends Time does not move forward nor has it come from behind ; Time does not ascend upward nor has it descended from above . Time is now Now is the time .
     
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    Religion Vs Science

    Life Forms Of Tiamat = Earth . Your planet called earth is within the eighteenth galaxy called the Milky way , which has millions of stars and light from the planet called Earth . It will take thirty thousand years to go from the Earth through the Milky Way . The Milky Way is inside of the universe and is very minute . The light from the sun comes to Earth . Light travels from the sun in four minutes . Your universe contain nineteen galaxies there are one billion other galaxies . . The distances in your universe reaches up to twenty six billion light years . Your universe is the smallest and inner most of seven universe which are a part of a galactical federation of nineteen galaxies . As the universe increases , the universe get larger and larger . Your mind cannot comprehend the circumference of the universe it is unimaginable to you . The word that best describes it is infinity , My child for time it was hard for you to OverStand the very beginning of your existence . It was difficult for you to accept that you were made to evolve from intelligent Amoebae and fungi . However , this was your beginning . A beginning unknown to Humims . Thus , as you read this Post you shall have a great



    OverStanding of how you became who and what you are today . The first kinds of life forms on this planet were the evolution of the Amoebae , Fungi and Algae that lived under water and evolved onto land . Early Earth was composed of the gases , Ammonia and Methane , in addition to Water ( H 2 , O ) , The cooling of the Earth and the subsequent falling of the vapor rings , allowed these gases to reach the waters upon The Earth . The exposure of Ultraviolet Rays from the Sun caused these gases to form simple , organic molecules . These began to form larger molecules until protein was formed .


    It was this formation which ultimately resulted in the prototype of the living cell , which occurred forty and six billion years ago . ( Bear In Mind , That These Chain Reactions Did Not Occur By Blind Chance But Only By The Will Of The Most High . The stage after the creation of the first cell in the lab of Shimti , which was located on Lahmu / Mars . The cell or cell were then placed inside the Vulcan Deity , The Dolphin . It was these cells that were transplaneted and transported into the seas of this planet . This transportation involved the development of the first animals twenty and four billion years ago . These were the single celled organisms called Protozoa . The simplest of this group is the Amoebae , a small mass of transparent protoplasm which does not even have a definite shape , nor a cell wall .



    The first single - celled animal to originate was the Amoebae . Which are found in water or moist soil and reproduce sexually . This means they reproduce alone , they don't need a partner . Fungus arose from this single cell organism and played an important role in nature . They break down the bodies of dead organisms into chemical subtances that can be used by other organisms . Fungi live as parasites and reproduce either sexually or asexually . The simplest particle of life is a quark of which Atoms are composed . The Atom as the smallest unit of an element that retains all of the element's properties . All things are made of atoms which are composed of Quarks . It is the smallest part of any substance . This is called Quantum Physics , My Nubian Brother And Sister's It is too small to be seen even with the most powerful electron microscope , yet all that is , is in parts , and is part of the existence . The average diameter of an atom is approximately one hundred millionth of an inch .


    At the center of an atom is a smaller particle called a quark the father of energy . There is the nucleus , a dense cluster of protons and neutrons on the outside of a quark . Together the protons ( p ) which have a positive ( + ) charge and neutron ( n ) , which have no charge are called nucleons . Outside spinning , around the nucleus in orbitals , are electron which have a negative ( - ) charge that make up what is called the shell of the atom . 34 All Atoms vary in the amount of protons , and electrons and neutrons according to the elements to which they belong . In reality , no atom has a definite size in space and time . However , it gets it form from its surrounding electrons . Atoms are building blocks from which moecules are made ; And a molecule is the smallest unit of a pure substance that can exist independetly and exhibit all of the properties of the substance carbon , hydrogen , nitrogen and sulfur .


    These gases formed into simple . organic molecules at which time these organic molecules began to form larger and larger molecules until protein was formed . Listen my nubian brother and sisters , concerning the Re-Creation of the planet Earth ; It was this formation which ultimately resulted in the prototype of the living organism . The stage after the creation of the first cell involed the development of the firt animals , Which is called a Protozoa which comes from the Greek '' Proto , '' meaning '' First In Time '' and '' Zoa '' from '' Zoia '' , meaning '' Animals '' . When reproducing , the Protozoa splits into two separate animals or cell . Over a period of nineteen million earth years of time , these animals multiplied and diversified and evoluted into many types of creatures and animals life forms .


    The protozoa were originally transported and planeted here on this planet earth by these beings from the planet Rizq , the Anunnaqi called the Eloheem . And do not forget brother and sisters , the condition of your planet had to be right ! These first atoms were made up of very simple combinations with each other , But sunlight contains energy , and this energy forced the atoms into more complicated combinations until small cells formed . This also happened on many other planets with the same chemicals and temperatures . So , there is life on many other planets ; they key is bacteria . There are intelligent bacteria that help Earthlings digest their food . And many other positive things . There are also intelligent bacteria that hurt Earthlings . Intelligent bacteria do things such as make you sick and cause diseases in humans ,animals and plants . In Humans , they cause diseases such as ; Syphillis , Leproay and Pneumonia to name a few . Most of these came to this planet from others planets . Some of which are in your solar system and others that are far beyond your knowledge . Like many other simple organisms , Bacteria can multiply by asexual reproduction or by binary fission . This occurs when the Nucleus of one cell divides forming two new cells , daughter cells , The exact same way a hologram can be broken into millions of parts and each one is the same , so it is with cells . And then my brother and sisters , there are others that just live with you , never bothering you at all . The first plant life were simple plants that began as one celled organisms of the classes known today as Bacteria and Algae , These originated in the water . Yet their structure and composition enabled them to exist in all types of environments and conditions . Algae has bodies composed of a single cell . Algae accounts for ninety percent of the world's Photosynthesis . Bacteria are found everywhere in water , air , soil , your bodies and food . Many of them are helpful and necessary for your physical existence . They are also useful in the decomposition and dissolving of solid waste . Then you have the virus . A virus is a microscopic organism that has an exceedingly simple structure composed of nucleic acid and protein . In the case of some of the viruses that live in bacteria and animal cells . This nucleic acid is generally D.N.A. Deoxyribonucleic Acid . In the viruses that cause diseases of plants , the nucleic acid is usually R.N.A. Ribonucleic Acid . A virus lives in cell of another living thing . Although viruses are small and simple , they are a major cause of diseases . Some viruses infect human beings with diseases . Others infect animals or plants and still others attack bacteria . Viruses produce diseases in an organism by damaging some of its cells . However , viruses something live in cell without harming them . Most viruses reproduce in specific cells of certain organisms . Viruse are Gaia's , Earth's means of defense when attacked .
     
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