Black Spirituality Religion : Rebirth-Christanity-Islam-Hinduism –Part-I

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  1. dattaswami1

    dattaswami1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    You say that the same Lord revealed the same knowledge in the entire world in different languages. But Islam and Christianity say that there is no rebirth. Hinduism speaks about the rebirth. If the Lord is same, how this contradiction comes?
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    Only one Lord created this entire universe. He should have told the same knowledge everywhere in the world. The contradiction is only due to misunderstanding. In Hinduism also Sankara says that again human birth is almost impossible (Jantunaam Nara Janma Durlabhamidam). Sankara was the incarnation of Siva and so what He told is also authoritative. Even Gita says that the soul comes back to this world but does not say that the soul gets again the human birth (Ksheene Punye Martyalokam Visanti). In the second chapter, Gita speaks about rebirth but not about the human rebirth. Islam and Christianity say that the human birth is given only as a single chance. After this the final judgement is given. The soul either goes to the Lord or goes to the hell permanently. In Gita also there are two ways for the soul. Either the soul goes to the Lord and does not return back or the soul returns back to the world (Abrahma Bhuvanath, Yat Gatva). According to Gita, if the soul does not go to the Lord (Brahmaloka), it returns back after enjoying the fruits of incomplete spiritual effort. Therefore in this human birth, if the spiritual effort is completed, the soul goes to the Brahmaloka permanently.

    If the spiritual effort is incomplete the soul may go up to any world below Brahmaloka, it will return back to this earth after enjoying the fruits of its incomplete spiritual effort. The soul may go up to the sixth world, it cannot go to the Brahmaloka, which is the seventh world by doing the remaining spiritual effort in the sixth world. The reason is once the soul leaves this earth all the upper worlds are only Bhogalokas i.e., the worlds in which the soul can enjoy the fruits, but cannot do any work (Karma). Therefore the soul has to return back to the earth. The soul will not get again another chance of human birth because once it is failed it can never succeed. Therefore the soul comes to the earth and falls into the cycle of animals and birds only. When the soul is trapped in this cycle of animal births, it is treated as a permanent hell. If the soul goes to Brahmaloka it always accompanies the Lord either in Brahmaloka or may come back to the earth along with the Lord who takes the human incarnation. In such case the soul is born as a divine servant of the Lord. Such soul will not take rebirth in the cycle of animals. Thus for the divine soul also there is no such rebirth. In this way Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are correlated as one concept preached by the one Lord.

    Christians and Muslims are putting up sincere spiritual effort because there is a threat that this human life is the only chance. There is no reexamination according to these religions. This human birth is the only one examination and the soul either passes or fails and will not be allowed for any reexamination. But in Hinduism such threat is not there. People have taken a lenient view on the spiritual life because they think that the human rebirths are possible and so they can put up the spiritual effort slowly in the future human births. The Lord cannot say different theories to different people. The rule must be same for all the human beings of the world. Therefore whatever the Lord told in Christianity and Islam also told the same in Hinduism. Hindus misunderstood the concept. Therefore what ever may be the religion, every human being should think “Now or Never”.

    The human rebirth is only for Yoga Bhrashta i.e., the soul, which has reached Brahmaloka and fell due to some slip. Such a soul is suspended from Brahmaloka and comes down to the earth and takes rebirth as a human being only. You have passed the P.G. Degree and obtained the post of the lecturer. But you were suspended for a month due to some mistake. You will be re-appointed. Similarly the Yoga Bhrashta will be born as a human being for some time and will come back to Brahmaloka. The case of incomplete spiritual effort is different from Yoga Bhrashta. The incomplete spiritual person is like a B.A. Degree holder who never achieved the lecturer post. You cannot argue that you can be appointed as a seventy five percent lecturer since you reached seventy five percent of the total educational period (from school to P.G.Degree is hundred percent) by getting a B.A. Degree.

    Thus there is no partial achievement by partial spiritual effort. The grace of the Lord is either hundred percent or zero. If it is hundred percent you are reaching Brahmaloka. If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds. There is no third way in between these two. When this truth is revealed, only one in thousands will try to put the real spiritual effort as said in Gita (Manushyaanaam Sahasreshu). By this Hindus will become alert in spiritual effort like Christians and Muslims.
     
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    peace Dattaswami1,

    & welcome to Destee.com..............................

    - who decides if you are ready for the next degree, or should be suspended for a month b4 you move on??

    - is there also a Trinity in Hinduism as in Christianity??

    - what does Hinduism say of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), if anything??

    peace to the Lord of the Universe................
     
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    HTP Info & Dattaswami7, Om Namo Naryana (Hail God in Human Form)

    There is a Hindu I-nity (trinity) with Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. Brahma=Creator, Vishnu=Preserver, and Shiva=Destroyer. When I say Shiva Destroyer, it is the Destruction of the OLD which opens the way for the NEW. All this embodied in the Sacred Mantra "AUM". A=Creation U=Preservation M=Destruction and then the silence afterwards is the moment before the NEXT creation period.

    Namaste

    AAAUUUMMM
     
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    Peace God.........................
     
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    Neither Hinduism, nor the concept of repeated reincarnation are native to the original black people who lived in India.

    They are both corrupt beliefs brought by the racist Aryans in order to further subjegate the original people teaching them that if they happily accept their inferior positions in this life...perhaps they'll come back into a higher caste.

    There is no traditional African belief system that supports repeated reincarnation either.

    Many traditional African religions teach that the spirits of the ancestors can posses those in this life, but they aren't constantly being "reborn" as other entities over and over again like some broken record or nightmare.



    Trace the hate....

    Buddhism got it's concept of reincarnation from Hinduism, and Hinduism got it from the racist pagan Aryans.


    Both Islam and Christianity believe in reincarnation in the form of the resurrection on Judgement day as our bodies are raised from the grave, Judged, and for those who enter Paradise our bodies will be perfected.


    God didn't create this world for sport and play...everything comes to an end.

    "Do they not think that they will be called to account?- on a Mighty Day, a Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds?"
    Koran 83:4-6
     
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    The assertion that reincarnation is not an indigenous part of ancient societies of color is not even CLOSE to being a fact.

    The concept of reincarnation not only finds itself within traditional African religions, such as METU NETER and YORUBA, but also is/was very present within DRAVIDIAN texts of India, such as the UPANISHADS, which predates the BHAGAVAD GITA by a couple of millenia.

    In the PERT EM HERU, we find that GOD the universal KHA (spirit energy) to many forms over and over.

    In YORUBA, SHANGO lives out entire lifetimes in one form, and then takes another at his choosing.

    Regarding Hinduism, the ARYANS brought nothing on a spiritual level to that land, that was not already there. The concept of reincarnation is not to be found in the cultures of any "ancient" white society of people.

    In the meantime, it is consistently found in Africa (DOGONand numerous others), Asia (BUDDHISM, HINDUISM, etc), Native America (AZTEC, INCA, NAVAJO, etc), and even with the Aborigines (KAOORI DREAMTIME, etc).

    This is why it's gravely important to actually STUDY and learn about these cultures and their spiritual systems, and not spend time making assumptions about them.

    Most of these systems have their own Scriptures that are readily accessable for the studious.

    PEACE
     
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    The concept of re-incarnation was brought to Egypt by Assyrian invaders and forced on the people just like it was brought to India by the Aryans.

    It all came from the White Brotherhood of snake worshippers who hailed from the mountains of central Asia.
    This is why the Pharoahs of Egypt wore the Cobra/Serpent head-dress of the Syrians.

    Just like they established the Varna/Caste system in India where the lightest were on top and the darkest were the slaves; they did the same thing in Egypt and the original black Egyptians were designated as fellahin (slaves).


    *Let me make a slave out of you in this life, and if you be good....maybe you'll re-incarnate to be like me in the next.



    Shhhiii....I wish I WOULD fall for some mess like that.
     
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    I've been waiting for the better part of MONTHS, as far as this site is concerned, and YEARS otherwise, for evidence regarding all these false claims about Kemet, yet conveniently, as with all these Biblical notions, never has there been any.

    I would love to have so much as a DATE, as to when these "ASSYRIANS" who didn't even have a solidified religion (aside from the one they TOOK from Kemet), came in, and "REWROTE" the PERT EM HERU, which was carved in stone long before any invaders came to that land.

    What date did this take place? What "ASSYRIAN" priests did this act? When did was this added to Kemetian theology?

    Furthermore, what species of snakes inhabit "the mountains of CENTRAL ASIA" (Assyria is not located in "central Asia", by the way)?

    Do Cobras dwell there? If ASSYRIAN KINGS loved snakes so much (In "Central Asia", LMAO), why did they not adorn themselves with them as they SUPPOSEDLY did in Kemet?

    Please provide EVIDENCE.
     
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    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Everyone who's seriously studied religion knows that Hinduism is based upon racism.
    Many Hindus will admit this themselves.

    White on top, black on the bottom.

    All the evil wicked gods are represented as being black snub-nosed demons, while all the pure righteous saviors are depicted as white with long flowing hair.

    And we're suppposed to accept THIS as "African spirituality".....gimme a break.
     
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    I see not a shred of evidence was provided, as usual.

    What are the names of these "snub-nosed" Gods?

    I can list every Hindu Deity, so it should be easy to point their names out on a list.

    What "everybody" knows, is not synonymous with established, empirical fact.

    The racism in Indian culture is not due to Hinduism, it's due to the CASTE SYSTEM.

    That's the only sociological construct that the Ayrans brought with them to the Indus Valley. They brought no aspect of spirituality at all.

    It's the VEDANIC aspect of Hinduism that serves as the obstruction to spiritual development.

    You do know what the VEDAS are, don't you?

    The Hindu Deities have been present within DRAVIDIAN texts long before the Aryans arrived.

    You do know that LORD KIRSHNA is depicted as dark-skinned, yes?

    You don't have to go around making up stuff about people and cultures and systems that you have no knowledge of.

    Just simply say "I DON'T KNOW", and let those who do know enlighten you and others who sincerely wish to know.

    There are a few Hindus on my site, and discuss aspects of their culture and spirituality all the time.

    Most Hindus don't even know that Aryans were originally foreigners--just like most African Americans don't know that Kemetians were black--especially since contemporary Indian education is British.

    PEACE
     
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