Music Producer said:Where were you when I was making this exact same argument?
Why didn’t you stand up and express this then?
I am a recent addition to the Forum here, and I don't see every thread that comes through...sorry.
Music Producer said:Where were you when I was making this exact same argument?
Why didn’t you stand up and express this then?
nibs said:(omowalejabali) - While I can understand your concern, I would also challenge you and others here to do something similar. Those who have openly trashed the so-called "Abrahamic" faiths, do the same. Face-to-face starting with the Nation of Islam.
the abrahamic faiths have no credibility.
i have nothing but respect for the nation of islam.
the arab prophet muhammad directly claims that a mystery god sent him a message through an angel.
we can look at page one of elijah muhammad's "message to the blackman in america" and the first thing he says is "there is no mystery god".
so let's not pretend that the noi is actually abrahamic; as the entire abrahamic tradition is based on a mystery god that does not exist. the noi used the doctrine that the black man in america was familiar with. you can look at the twists and contortions that honorable men like elijah muhammad and louis farakkhan must jump through to make any type of sense out of the bible and arabic qu'ran. they don't dare read or interpret those books literally as it is nonsense.
from a spiritual standpoint; if a spirit presents you with a message "from god", why should that spirit be trusted, by default?
so not only does the prophet muhammad claim to have recieved his message from an agent of a mystery god that, according to elijah muhammad, does not exist; but the claim of a spiritual intervention does not make the doctrine legitimate or honest.
i disagree with elijah muhammad on a couple issues, mainly regarding traditional african religions; however, i consider the nation of islam "abrahamic" in name only.
it is an organization for which i have alot of respect.
omowalejabali said:"This is a classic example of attacking the messenger instead of the message."
Which is EXACTLY what you and others have been doing, in some cases, for years.
If you personally attack others, what is to be expected? For those attacks to go unchallenged?
omowalejabali said:You speak of exposing others yet get defensive when others expose or challenge your "religion". Again, what is to be expected?
omowalejabali said:"Not even our greatest African minds would have been able to produce African-centered literature on Egypt if we excluded all written material by Whites."
Yet, you denounce the Quran, the Old testament, the Kebra Nagast, all of which MOST Black people recognize as being written by BLACK PEOPLE!