Nation of Gods and Earths : Questions?

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  1. girlonthewall

    girlonthewall New Member MEMBER

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    I have been trying and failing to find an official route to contact members of the NGE as I have some questions I would like answered.

    I am a bi-racial female, my mother is white and my father is Algerian however to all intents and purposes I look white but carry my North African surname with pride. I have recently got into heated debate while at university with classmates about my lifestyle choices and beliefs concerning my understanding of the NGE and my musical tastes which include artists with Five Percenter lyrics and beliefs who those I was debating with believe to be racist. They also see the NGE as a racist organisation. Now, what I ask is that someone clarify whether or not my arguments were valid or if in fact I had misunderstood.

    It is proven scientific fact that the remains of the first man were found in Africa and in addition to this the original Kings and Queens of the world were also in Africa which has also been proven by archeology and research into ancient civilisations. The advancements of the Egyptian Kings and Queens were then appropriated by the Romans who most seem to want to credit with these advancements, which is of course a lie that gets taught across the world and like the slave masters attempted to do, the legacy and cultural heritage of Africa gets lost and diluted.

    After hundreds of years of slavery and the fact that the West (White Anglo Saxons) have invaded, destroyed and pillaged Africa and stolen its people (furthermore the rest of the world) there is still a lot to be answered for. There is nothing now that can repay the debt we owe to the continent of Africa and its displaced people who continue to be oppressed by a system that is unfair and does not promote the knowledge, advancement and success of Black people. White people in Africa still for the most part see themselves as above the indigenous people and have no cause or concern that the land does not belong to them and organisations such as the African Resistance Movement and the Boer people still commit atrocities and fight for supremacy over a continent that they do not truly belong in (now I feel people should be mobile and be able to live where they choose but I do not believe that white people can move in to a country and try to white wash or westernise and then discriminate over the people that belong there).

    The Civil Rights Movement was only 50 years ago and still do this present day Black people continue to be oppressed. On a human rights level we have come leaps and bounds but in schools there is a Black history month, same here in England and there is nothing in place to educate Black people (and everyone else) about culture, legacy and pride in their heritage. Education is largely white washed unless specialised.

    I have lived in both France and England, in France I had to watch my own people from the Magreb and other African citizens who's grandfathers and fathers like mine had fought for France in the Second World War being treated like dirt. Sarkozy has now banned the wearing of headscarfs in the public sector and has continued a long legacy of Right Wing leadership that finally led to the riots, where those who had been segregated in hopeless tenement housing and seen as second class citizens revolted and even second generations had their French passports revoked and were sent back to their families place of origin.

    In England it is much the same, education is flawed and ran by predominantly middle class white people who feel uncomfortable discussing and teaching Black history and therefore don't. Housing is segregated in many parts of the country and the media and institutions are largely racist. (see Steven Lawrence case)

    As I have lived within these areas of segregation for most of my life I have seen first hand the discrimination and lack of opportunities those I have grown up with have been subjected to and the only thing that separates us is my white face. This, despite the surname Hammadi has allowed me to enter better schooling, to not get stop and searched while on foot or driving and it makes me feel sick.

    In regards to Hip-Hop music, I was asked if I felt offended by the lyrics of Dead Prez in particular and I answered no. I have no right to be offended, their lyrics reflect what they have to go through on a daily basis and the society that oppresses them. This society is white led and thus the institution is the white man. This does not mean they hate all white people, or white people in general but they despise the system which is so much more than understandable.

    White people like to be offended, on their own behalf or for other people and often call upon the suffering of other ethnic groups to counteract pro-black arguments yet the system that favours them still has not made good on a massive debt.

    As I understand it the Nation of Gods and Earths do not hate white people, they are educated and logical and understand that my white half is not responsible for slavery and do not promote what white people like to brush off as the extended white guilt but feel we have a responsibility to acknowledge what happened and understand that there has not been enough time passed or enough change in society to calm the anger. Black people have a right to be angry and it is wonderful that this anger is channeled into the pursuit of advancement and knowledge.

    I would really appreciate if someone could clarify all of these arguments for me as I'm almost certain I will have to enter into another debate about it soon and I would really like to be sure of what I'm defending.
     
  2. enquiring_mind

    enquiring_mind Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Very interesting opening post...I'm not a member of NGE, therefore I can't address your questions, but I hope you recieve the answers you're looking for :)
     
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    Black people have a right to be angry and it is wonderful that this anger is channeled into the pursuit of advancement and knowledge.


    Is this what you believe should be defended?
     
  4. girlonthewall

    girlonthewall New Member MEMBER

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    No, what I feel should be defended is what I can see through research is the overall message of the NGE.

    I don't believe that the anger that remains from the past treatment of Black people to the present day situation is at all surprising and that White people while on the whole are not responsible for past atrocities do have to understand what happened and acknowledge that Black people can't just 'get over it'. If anger at the injustices of the system cause the promotion of knowledge and pride that ultimately leads to advancement then yes, I feel that should most definitely be defended and even cultivated. The artistic expressions of this through music should also be respected and I feel that the artists who associate themselves with the NGE directly or through references should not be seen as villains by White people.

    The want and need to empower should be respected rather than shot down as racist and offensive.

    I wanted to explain my position and ask if my somewhat primitive understanding of the NGE was correct.
     
  5. medusanegrita

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    If this is what you told them, then let them be angry.

    You must understand this from a white POV... which is shocking that you don't since you look white, but I digress....

    To be white and accept black anger and the reason for it is to put a massive amount of guilt into the white psyche, more than can be handled on a conscious level. They are acutely aware that whatever racial problems remains in America and elsewhere did not end with Jim Crow or even the election of a black president, and that many injustices still remain - injustices that benefit them through white racial skin privilege while it devalues everyone else. They don't know how to fight that on a massive collectively level as individual white folks - and they may not even be sure they want to fight it because of how that would affect them and their current stance in this society. It's hard to give up power even when it is given to you indirectly or subliminally by virtue of your birth.

    Their only defense to get defensive about their themselves and their history, and to downplay the guilt brought on by the TRUTH. Most anyone who feels ashamed and guilty will downplay their role in something or try to trivialize the matter all together. That does not mean they don't want to learn, or that don't want to ingest the knowledge you have to offer - but it's hard for them initially. They have to fight through all their internal dynamics that want to reject this knowledge due to their guilt and shame.

    If you realize that, then don't let the whites deter you from giving them the TRUTH as you know it and see it. Be calm, be patient, but don't force. Drop a little knowledge here and there when you can, but if gets to be too much or too tedious for you, then take a break and let it go for a while until you can have another civil (but perhaps intense?) conversation. Little by little, those that want to get the knowledge it will seek in.

    As for NGE, I have no knowledge of it except that it is a group that exist and I think it's an offshoot of the NOI. I'm assuming you've visited the NGE forum here? It might be a bit slow, but I hope you posted this message there... and in due time someone is bound to answer I'm sure.

    In the meantime, have you tried facebook and myspace? Facebook has NGE groups and fan pages.

    I like conscious white folk, nice to read you. :)
     
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    medusanegrita Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    My bad. I had no idea I was already in this forum. I saw this from the main page. My message still stands tho.
     
  7. girlonthewall

    girlonthewall New Member MEMBER

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    Thank you for taking time out to reply.

    I understand the white POV but I don't believe it to be valid, logical or even vaguely intelligent.The white point of view is that black people should 'get over it', stop bringing it up and just accept and contribute blindly to a system that continues to discriminate. It's the classic idea of the melting pot/white washing - to take someones history, culture and heritage away and assimilate them into what society feels comfortable with. When you look at the fragmented state of society now it is impossible to say this policy has worked.

    Not wanting to upset a society that completely benefits them and instill changes is also I suppose human nature however those who complain about the state of cities and the social problems that outwardly or not they blame on a disillusioned black community should welcome and even push for a change as a means of bettering society. Those who chose to remain stagnant are not only saying that they believe that black people have nothing to offer them but that they still, despite the guilt they are annoyed has been passed onto them that they still feel superior. I think this is where the real guilt comes from, they feel ashamed that they have deep seeded racial prejudices and the truth makes them confront those taboo emotions.

    When brutal truth is told to whites by black people they completely discount it. Unfortunately there are not enough white people in society who actively want to educate themselves and others. The feeling of discomfort rarely translates into a want for personal or social change, unfortunately I fear its a vicious circle that after hundreds of years has just evolved rather than improved.

    Thank you also for the suggestions, I will try those groups out and see if anyone gets back to me.
     
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    Kemetstry going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    NGE = ???



















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  9. Precise Allah

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    Peace,

    I just wanted to say I'll answer the above as soon as time permits. You came to the right place.

    Peace
     
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    Peace,

    and wow..... look at that. Time permits. :)

    You are correct. We are not anti white or pro black. We are anti devilishment and pro-righteousness. On the surface it might look like we're anti white because white people have been and still are the cause for much of the world's ills. It would be a misconception to think that we have something against white people simply because they're white. Same thing applies to black people. We don't advocate putting black people on a pedestal simply because they're black.

    Our focus is more on deeds (actual facts) than anything else. We break down the population of the planet Earth into three categories:

    The 85% - who are blind, deaf and dumb (mentally dead hosts for the 10% to leach off their life force).

    The 10% - who know the truth (that the black man is God, the black woman is Earth and the babies are the greatest) but keep the truth hidden so they can stay in an apparently advantaged position over those who are ignorant.

    The 5% - who know and teach the truth so that all people can develop a harmonious relationship with each other and the planet we live on.

    A person of any color can take on the group identify of any of the above three categories.

    I appreciate the spirit of your statements and questions and will work to see that you're able to move in a Good Orderly Direction for what you desire. I think my initial answer will promote an effective dialogue between us.

    Peace
    Precise Infinite Peace Allah
    Nation of Gods and Earths
     
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