Black People : Questions for Mr. Neely Fuller, Jr.

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    Mr. Neely Fuller, Jr. is the author of:

    The United Independent Compensatory Code / System / Concept
    a textbook/ workbook for thought, speech and/or action for victims of racism (white supremacy)

    Mr. Fuller has joined us on a couple of occasions in the past, in our video voice chat room, sharing information regarding his book and concept / plan.

    I've spoke to him recently, and he's more than willing to join us again, and as often as he can. We've not established a set time for his next visit, but i'm hoping it will be real soon.

    One thing i really love about Mr. Fuller, is that he welcomes all questions and challenges. He seems to be of the mindset, that nothing has worked for us thus far, and there may certainly be room for improvement, even with his plan. He's so kewl!!! :D

    So, for those of you who are familiar with his work, and have questions, challenges, to what he presents ... please don't hesitate sharing that in this thread. Even if he can't come and respond in a class, i may be able to get an answer from him, to your specific question.

    With this in mind, please phrase your question exactly as you'd want me to present it to him. I think the more difficult / challenging the question, the better. No plan can stand, if it is not able to be questioned or challenged.

    Okay Family ... ask your questions of Mr. Neely Fuller ... and i'll be working to get answers to them!

    Love You All !!! :grouphug:

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  2. kemetkind

    kemetkind Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Question #1: Does Mr. Fuller Advocate a Slave Mentality?

    I need to understand from Mr. Fuller how the internalizing of such a philosophy among black people could possibly lead to anything other than a permanent dependence on europeans.
     
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    Question #2: Does Mr. Fully Worship so-called "White" People?

    Frequently in UICCSC Mr. Fuller refers to white people as being "supreme" over all other peoples on the earth. At one point he does clarify he is not equating them with the creator, but at other points he gets pretty close to doing so.

    I find that problematic, especially because he juxtaposes the supremacy of white people against the supposed "primitive" and "stupid / silly" nature of non-white people.

    It appears to me anyone who has internalized Mr. Fuller's work would have a VERY difficult time getting from under the mental bondage imposed upon peoples by european cultural constructs.

    I would like Mr. Fuller to explain how it benefits any black person to internalize the message he feeds in the following passages:


    See pages 36-38 of UICCSC for the full text...
     
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    kemetkind Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Question #3: Of What Value is a classification of all as "White" vs. "Non-white"

    The foundation of all Mr. Fuller's philosophy rests on the classification of all people using the european as the reference...i.e...all people are either "White", or not "White".

    While this makes sense if you are a european invested in racial hierarchy, I question what sense does it make for black people to view the world through such terms.

    I would pose the following to Mr. Fuller:

    1. How do you account for the significant differences in the relative power amongst sub-groups within this "non-white" racial classification? i.e. - if all "non-white" people are powerless, pitiful, and mostly stupid and silly, why are Chinese and Indians moving towards global ascendancy, with hispanics starting to make moves, while we are lagging behind? Have you considered it may have something to do with us being the only group that has accepted and internalized the supposed "supremacy" of europeans...and that your teachings serve to further imbed this mental subordination?


    2. Why are black leaders the only group creating this idea of a coalition of all "non-white" peoples?

    Why are other ethnic groups perfectly content to develop their own nationalistic plans using themselves as the frame of reference, instead of the european. (i.e., you are Indian or you're not, you're Chinese or you're not, you're latino or you're not...you're arab or you're not....it is only our black leaders who want to use the same reference point that europeans use)

    3. What practical benefit do black people receive from a classification of all people as white vs. non-white, when, historically, we have just as aggregious examples of aggressive exploitation by some "non-white" groups as we do from "whites"?

    4. How does one counter racism by adopting the exact same philosophical orientation, world outlook and mental hierarchy as the racists?
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

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    Just An Observation

    If I was to read all of the above without knowing the name of the author there is one word that would come to mind.

    FASCIST.
     
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    "I question what sense does it make for black people to view the world through such terms."

    Since this is posed in an "Open Forum"

    No **** sense at all!

    It is what is known as NON-Sense.


    One More Reason Why Black People Are Confused.

    A Crisis of the NEGRO Intellectual.
     
  7. kemetkind

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    Question #4: What sense does it make to keep begging "White" people?

    Mr. Fuller says Black people are too insecure and untrustworthy to ever lend them anything.

    Instead, Fuller's plan says you should make sure to ask white racists to help you.

    Despite saying there's no point expecting "white" racists do do what is right, his strategy says ask them anyway, because they are the ones functionally responsible for you.

    My question for Mr. Fuller on this has five parts: 1) based on the following passage, and paying close attention to the ORDER which he suggests "non-white" people do things, is it safe to assume Fuller advocates "white" people are more important than God?

    2) How does asking white racists to help us, when you already recognize they are not inclined to do so, amount to an effective counter for racism?

    3) What group has EVER come out from subjugation because they asked their subjugators to help them get out?

    4) If you were a racist european leader in this modern era, wouldn't you whole-heartedly support a black leader telling his people that their best plan for progress is to never depend on themselves, but always come and ask you for help?

    5) Given what we know of American black history, would you agree that your philosophy of asking for and depending on the support of racist european institutions has been adopted more in the last 40 years than at any other time in the last 400 years? If so, can you give your assesment of how this strategy is working out for us?

    Do you notice any distinction in the quality of life of black families who primarily follow this strategy vs. those who do not?

    Do you notice any distinction in the independence and post-colonial strength of other nations who have primarily followed this strategy vs. those that did not?

    Passage from page 62 of UICCSC
     
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    I hear you brother O.

    To be honest my initial reaction upon reading the text was much same, probably worse, as I was about ready to throw the book across the room several times and couldn't imagine how anyone pushing this plan on black people could be anything other than a paid operative working for europeans.

    But I keep telling myself to withhold judgement. I must be missing something.

    I have tremendous confidence in sister Destee and I know she's not powerless, pitiful, stupid nor silly, so I know if she sees something profound in this man's teaching there has to be something there.

    I'm leaving open that his intentions come through in his lectures, or in some format other than this book..and that without knowledge or experience with those other formats I cannot fully comprehend the wisdom of what he is teaching.

    I'm glad he's coming again to Destee, as I think it's important to understand as much as possible about his framework.

    More importantly, I want to consider the broader question of whether his basic philosophy is already being implemented by some black people and whether it actually works for them or not.
     
  9. Destee

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    Brother Kemetkind ... these are great questions!!

    I'm so moved by your words, reserving your confidence in Mr. Fuller, because of me! :D

    I understand exactly how you feel, for i too was a bit shaken when i first heard the things he said, but it did not last long! I think it does make a difference getting to hear him respond directly, explaining fully, why he thinks the way he does.

    Well Brother Kemetkind, i know this is short notice, but he will be with us tonight, during Class with Destee! :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:

    I don't know if you'll be able to make it, and if you are not present, i'll save your questions for a time when both of you (you and Mr. Fuller) can be present together. If you're not with us tonight, we'll just let him share whatever he'd like, and answer questions that come from the chat room.

    Okay ... tonight @ 8 pm ET Family ... Mr. Neely Fuller, Jr! :toast:

    Love You!

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    Destee
     
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    Wish I could be here ..yet..."oh well" (dusty elbow)...

    While I have not read his book...I am familiar with his teachings and thinking....and overstand his perspectives as they sound similiar to what many others are saying...only...in a different way or with a different frame of reference.

    I think what you have said here is EXTREMELY important for all of us to know...

    WE can NEVER fully overstand why a person thinks as they do....without ASKING QUESTIONS....this is true whether that person is considered a "scholar" or the person who is homeless and living on the street..
    Instead....WE make our OWN assumptions and judgements about them and what we think they think...if WE have not spoken to them directly.

    I know you all will enjoy this class tonite and I'm saddened to have to miss it.


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