Black Atheists : Question... "Will Folks Recognize Each Other in Heaven or in the Afterlife?"

[SwagII]

What makes you so sure that our mental consciousness does not survive death? I do not know for sure, what happens after death. Anything I share would be my hope, as I have yet to experience it. Prior to my Mother's passing, I asked her to come back and talk to me, if she could. Even with this, I have had her only in a few wonderful dreams since her passing many years ago. I do hope I get to see her again, hug her, wallow in her wonderfulness, but I do not know if it will happen in the capacity you're speaking. Again, Spirituality / Religion is so personal, with each of us having the ability to believe as we see fit. I am not in a position to argue against your position, or for my own. We will all just have to die and see what is on the other side, how it will be, etc.



Destee

Nothing from the human body spiritually transcends anywhere upon one's death. It's not within the natural order of creativity, etc. It's the way things are in our universe, on this planet, etc. Once the brain dies consciousness is lost and I mean permanently lost. As we all very well know, death is cessation of being. There is no rising spiritual consciousness passage to some heavenly paradise, etc. Of course, most religions share and teach this supernatural paranormal activity as a part of its belief systems/scriptures, etc. What I can say is life is short and time moves fast. As you stated, Spirituality/Religion is personal with people having the right to believe as they see fit. And belief of life after death is Religiously widely believed, etc. But such has no reality in any form after death. It's not within the natural order of things per our universe, etc. Your spiritual brain consciousness dies, it's lost, truth is... such consciousness transitions have no reality period. Only the living can maintain memories of our loved one, etc. perhaps in such ways we are keeping our long gone love one's memories alive, but there will no seeing/recognizing them spiritually or in any other form, etc., again. I understand what Religion and the Church will say... But who has actually known someone, anyone, human-being, etc. that has had a cessation/death of life for any long period of time and returned in any "proven" form and told what exactly what the afterlife, this unknow heavenly side, really is, etc. Humans only live/exist once, why not just make it count.

 

[Destee]

Nothing from the human body spiritually transcends anywhere upon one's death. It's not within the natural order of creativity, etc. It's the way things are in our universe, on this planet, etc. Once the brain dies consciousness is lost and I mean permanently lost. As we all very well know, death is cessation of being. There is no rising spiritual consciousness passage to some heavenly paradise, etc. Of course, most religions share and teach this supernatural paranormal activity as a part of its belief systems/scriptures, etc. What I can say is life is short and time moves fast. As you stated, Spirituality/Religion is personal with people having the right to believe as they see fit. And belief of life after death is Religiously widely believed, etc. But such has no reality in any form after death. It's not within the natural order of things per our universe, etc. Your spiritual brain consciousness dies, it's lost, truth is... such consciousness transitions have no reality period. Only the living can maintain memories of our loved one, etc. perhaps in such ways we are keeping our long gone love one's memories alive, but there will no seeing/recognizing them spiritually or in any other form, etc., again. I understand what Religion and the Church will say... But who has actually known someone, anyone, human-being, etc. that has had a cessation/death of life for any long period of time and returned in any "proven" form and told what exactly what the afterlife, this unknow heavenly side, really is, etc. Humans only live/exist once, why not just make it count.

Your position is a belief, like mine is. You're not the first to voice it, and I am more than willing to let you have it, but of course must have mine as well. I have never tried to convince someone that what they believe as it relates to Spirituality / Religion is wrong. In fact, this community has space for all paths of belief, including atheists, welcoming everyone. I am of the opinion that with the discussions, one or another may be moved in a direction they may not have considered, simply by being privy to the dialogue. Oftentimes the discussions can be a circular, "you are wrong, I am right, or vice versa", with no real movement either way. That is fine too, for any way the wind blows, it's kewl with me. My goal is that we all come together respectfully discussing, engaging, teaching, building, learning, etc., no matter the differences (and there are many, not just Spirituality / Religion).

Again, I have no desire to try and change your mind about this. If God does not force you, who am I to try ...

I do find it interesting that you qualified this ... "But who has actually known someone, anyone, human-being, etc. that has had a cessation/death of life for any long period of time" ... but even that does not prompt me to push, for I think I get your point.

It's been a pleasure. Wishing you the very best no matter what our end may be.

Much Love and Peace.



Destee

 

[SwagII]

Your position is a belief, like mine is. You're not the first to voice it, and I am more than willing to let you have it, but of course must have mine as well. I have never tried to convince someone that what they believe as it relates to Spirituality / Religion is wrong. In fact, this community has space for all paths of belief, including atheists, welcoming everyone. I am of the opinion that with the discussions, one or another may be moved in a direction they may not have considered, simply by being privy to the dialogue. Oftentimes the discussions can be a circular, "you are wrong, I am right, or vice versa", with no real movement either way. That is fine too, for any way the wind blows, it's kewl with me. My goal is that we all come together respectfully discussing, engaging, teaching, building, learning, etc., no matter the differences (and there are many, not just Spirituality / Religion).

Again, I have no desire to try and change your mind about this. If God does not force you, who am I to try ...

I do find it interesting that you qualified this ... "But who has actually known someone, anyone, human-being, etc. that has had a cessation/death of life for any long period of time" ... but even that does not prompt me to push, for I think I get your point.

It's been a pleasure. Wishing you the very best no matter what our end may be.

Much Love and Peace.



Destee

I can understand exactly what you are saying, etc. As we each are entitled to our own assessments of life's true meanings, most of us have incorporated same into our daily belief systems. Yet I find that humans (you and I) are just tiny specs in the grand scheme of things. Btw, such beliefs can be perhaps beneficial even though they have no substance reality, etc. In my view such an afterlife existence is a matter of belief and faith. Yet, I'd like to in parting, remind you that our evolutionary ancestors (prehistory of our human species) were all atheist, etc., a time when nobody believed in deities (aka: Gods) of any sort, somewhere along the way found religion. Allow me to say thank you for all your comments, etc. It's been my pleasure. All I can now say, "is that we eventually shall see".

 

[Destee]

I can understand exactly what you are saying, etc. As we each are entitled to our own assessments of life's true meanings, most of us have incorporated same into our daily belief systems. Yet I find that humans (you and I) are just tiny specs in the grand scheme of things. Btw, such beliefs can be perhaps beneficial even though they have no substance reality, etc. In my view such an afterlife existence is a matter of belief and faith. Yet, I'd like to in parting, remind you that our evolutionary ancestors (prehistory of our human species) were all atheist, etc., a time when nobody believed in deities (aka: Gods) of any sort, somewhere along the way found religion. Allow me to say thank you all your comments, etc. It's been my pleasure. All I can now say, "is that we eventually shall see".

Oh, you've peeked my interest ... ... care to share the names of the evolutionary ancestors (prehistory of our human species) that were all atheist? I don't believe I've heard / read this before.

Much Love and Peace.



Destee

 

[SwagII]

Oh, you've peeked my interest ... ... care to share the names of the evolutionary ancestors (prehistory of our human species) that were all atheist? I don't believe I've heard / read this before.

Much Love and Peace.



Destee

We are most likely "evolved" from Homo heidelbergensis the common ancestor we (humans) share with neanderthals, who are our closest extinct relative. Of course, there was inbreeding among our species and homo neanderthalensis. But I would say that our (human beings) direct evolutionary ancestor was heidelbergensis. Enjoy your day...