Black Spirituality Religion : Prophecies

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  1. cherryblossom

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    Old Testament Prophecies Of Jesus

    "Study 3 explained how God's purpose of salvation for men was centred around Jesus Christ. The promises which He made to Eve, Abraham and David all spoke of Jesus as their literal descendant. Indeed, the whole of the Old Testament points forward to, and prophesies about, Christ. The Law of Moses, which Israel had to obey before the time of Christ, constantly pointed forward to Jesus: "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ" (Gal. 3:24). Thus at the feast of Passover, a lamb in perfect condition had to be killed (Ex. 12:3-6); this represented the sacrifice of Jesus, "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:7). The spotless condition which was required for all the animal sacrifices pointed forward to the perfect character of Jesus (Ex. 12:5 cp. 1 Peter 1:19).

    Throughout the Psalms and prophets of the Old Testament there are countless prophecies about what Messiah would be like. They particularly focus on describing how he would die. Judaism's refusal to accept the idea of a Messiah who dies can only be due to their inattention to these prophecies, a few of which are now presented:-

    Old Testament prophecy Fulfilment in Christ
    "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Ps. 22:1). These were the very words of Jesus on the cross (Matt 27:46).
    "I am despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him" (Ps. 22:6-8). Israel despised Jesus and mocked him (Luke 23:35; 8:53); they shook their heads (Matt. 27:39), and said this as He hung on the cross (Matt 27:43).
    "My tongue cleaveth to my jaws...they pierced my hands and my feet" (Ps. 22:15,16). This was fulfilled in Christ's thirst on the cross (John 19:28). The piercing of hands and feet refers to the physical method of crucifixion used.
    "They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture" (Ps. 22:18). The precise fulfilment of this is found in Matt. 27:35.
    Note that Ps. 22:22 is specifically quoted as applying to Jesus in Heb. 2:12.

    "I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and am an alien unto my mother's children. For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up" (Ps. 69:8,9). This well describes Christ's feeling of estrangement from his Jewish brethren and his own family (John 7:3-5, Matt.12:47-49). This is quoted in John 2:17.
    "They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink" (Ps. 69:21). This happened while Christ was on the cross (Matt. 27:34).
    The whole of Isaiah 53 is a remarkable prophecy of Christ's death and resurrection, every verse of which had an unmistakable fulfilment. Just two examples will be given:-

    "As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth" (Isa. 53:7) Christ, the Lamb of God, remained silent during his trial (Matt. 27: 12,14).
    "He made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death" (Isa. 53:9). Jesus was crucified along with wicked criminals (Matt. 27:38), but was buried in the tomb of a rich man (Matt. 27:57-60).
    It is little wonder that the New Testament reminds us that the "law and prophets" of the Old Testament is the basis of our understanding of Christ (Acts 26:22; 28:23; Rom. 1:2,3; 16:25,26). Jesus himself warned that if we do not properly understand "Moses and the prophets", we cannot understand him (Luke 16:31; John 5:46,47).

    That the Law of Moses pointed forward to Christ, and the prophets prophesied of him, should be proof enough that Jesus did not exist physically before his birth. The false doctrine of the physical 'pre-existence' of Christ before birth makes a nonsense of the repeated promises that he would be the seed (descendant) of Eve, Abraham and David. If he were already existing up in heaven at the time of these promises, God would have been incorrect in promising these people a descendant who would be Messiah. The genealogies of Jesus, recorded in Matt. 1 and Luke 3, show how Jesus had a pedigree which stretched back to those people to whom God had made the promises.

    The promise to David concerning Christ disallows his physical existence at the time the promise was made: "I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels...I will be his father, and he shall be my son" (2 Sam. 7:12,14). Notice the future tense used here. Seeing that God would be Christ's Father, it is impossible that the Son of God could have already existed at that point in time when the promise was made. That this seed "shall proceed out of thy bowels"shows that he was to be a literal, physical descendant of David. "The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David...Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne" (Ps. 132:11).

    Solomon was the primary fulfilment of the promise, but as he was already physically in existence at the time of this promise (2 Sam. 5:14), the main fulfilment of this promise about David having a physical descendant who would be God's son, must refer to Christ (Luke 1:31-33). "I will raise unto David a righteous Branch" (Jer. 23:5) - i.e. Messiah.

    Similar future tenses are used in other prophecies concerning Christ. "I will raise (Israel) up a Prophet like unto (Moses)" (Deut. 18:18) is quoted in Acts 3:22,23, which defines the "Prophet" as Jesus. "A virgin (Mary) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" (Is. 7:14). This was clearly fulfilled in Christ's birth (Matt. 1:23)."

    http://www.biblebasicsonline.com/english/Study07OriginofJesus/0701OTPropheciesOfJesus.html
     
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    OLD TESTAMENT PROPHECY FULFILLED IN HISTORY
    Chapter 6

    One of the unique and fascinating aspects of the Bible is that in no other religious literature do we find the accuracy of fulfilled prophecy. Biblical predictions recorded sometimes hundreds of years in advance of their happening are fulfilled in minute detail. Following are a few of those predictions and fulfillments.

    Cyrus

    The prophet Isaiah, writing about 700 B.C., names Cyrus as the king who will say to Jerusalem that it shall be built and that the Temple foundation shall be laid (Isaiah 44:28; 54:1).

    At the time of Isaiah's writing, the city of Jerusalem was fully built and the entire temple was standing. Not until more than 100 years later, in 586 B.C., would the city and Temple be destroyed by King Nebuchadnezzar.

    After Jerusalem was taken by the Babylonians, it was conquered by the Persians in about 539 B.C. Shortly after that, a Persian king named Cyrus gave the decree to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. This was around 160 years after the prophecy of Isaiah!

    Thus Isaiah predicted that a man named Cyrus, who would not be born for about a hundred years, would give the command to rebuild the Temple, which was still standing in Isaiah's day and would not be destroyed for more than a hundred years. This prophecy is truly amazing, but it is not isolated. There are, in fact, hundreds of prophecies which predict future events.

    Daniel's Seventy Weeks

    In Daniel 9:24-27, a prophecy concerning the Messiah is given in three specific parts. The first part states that at the end of 69 weeks, the Messiah will come to Jerusalem. (Actually the 7 and 62 weeks are understood as 69 seven-year periods. For the explanation see Hoehner 69/117ff.) The starting point of the 69 weeks is the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

    Concerning the first part of the prophecy (the coming of the Messiah), Wilson explains:

    Included in the prophecy of the seventy weeks is the specific prediction that from the going forth of a commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince, there would be sixty-nine weeks. Those weeks are weeks of years. After four hundred and eighty-three years Messiah was to come. 133/139

    Daniel 9:24-27:

    Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy place.

    So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate...."


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    Fulfilled Bible Prophecy Dealing With Nations

    (One example of archaeology supporting the Bible.)

    Fulfilled prophesy is one of the many proofs we have that the Bible is completely accurate. (You can read about other proofs on our How Do You Know The Bible Is True? page.) Many prophecies can be proven through archaeology.

    The Ancient Nation of Edom

    The example on this page deals with the destruction of Edom and its capital city of Petra. Remember the movie “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?” The last part where they go through a narrow canyon and into a temple in a lost city was filmed at Petra. What happened in the movie was . . . well, just a movie. For example, the “temple” is really a magnificent tomb cut into the cliff.

    Edom was a very powerful nation and Petra was not only a great city, but Edom’s capital. The people of Edom were proud of the strength of their cities, over which Petra reigned supreme. Located next to the mountain (or mountain range) of Mount Seir, other nations and people often referred to Petra as “Mount Seir”—a symbol of their strength and lofty position. Unfortunately, they were a very evil nation and each of the many prophecies about them in the Bible includes God’s judgment of their actions and a description of their future destruction. The Old Testament book of Obadiah is completely devoted to this topic.

    Other examples include the following: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/fulfill.shtml
     
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    Fear factor

    Why do prophecies always involve a calamity of some sort?

    I would love to hear a "prophecy" that predicts something positive for once.

    A good prophecy for me would be "no more raping of babies and children will ever occur again on earth" i could deal with that one.
     
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    SURE!

    The very BEST positive prophecies in the Old Testament were those which told of the Messianic Coming: JESUS!
    :toast:

     
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    do you have any other prophecies that mirror the intensity of relevations but on the positive side. A prophecy that actually shows prominence other then the prophecy of "jesus"?
     
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    hellogood,

    Welcome to Destee.com, its good to have you here with us, for real! After reading your posts, my question is: what is your faith or belief system? And how does it work?

     
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    i don't have fear, so I don't need a "comfort" zone involving faith or belief "systems" i have knowledge of self. I pray multiple times a day, i don't pray to "something". I just pray, the universe knows what i need. My pray is simple, very simple, it's HELP ME LIVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, and you know what it covers alot of ground "believe" it or not.

    I have a strong heart and soul intent on doing the right thing, i understand not all people can do that, some need guidance especially when people are trying to mislead you.

    Love is your heart already, or hate is in your heart. If someone follows a doctrine to find their goodness, i'd say that goodness was already there.
    For instance you can read the bible 50,000 times and never shown any love to anyone because it's not in the heart. Love cannot be dictated IMO.

    The universe has very basic rules, one of those rules are CAUSE AND EFFECT.
    For example: if you play with fire you might get burned. Sounds simplistic but yet it's still a basic rule.

    Using fear to help one growth to me is counterproductive IMO. I'd rather give you the information and ask the move without malice rather then proceeding in fear and uncertainty. Yes uncertainty because a BELIEF is something we THINK is true, therefore it is uncertain. So one saturates themselves into a corner of belief instead of using the power of there heart where there is no uncertainty. You either love or you hate. PERIOD. i don't care what you "believe" your true essence show itself true self eventually.

    All the prophecies i've heard always involved some calamity, I don't see anything positive. IT'S ALWAYS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. I asked a previous poster to show me another prophecy that matches the intensity of revelation but with POSTIVE INTENSITY and i got nothing. Instead of asking me what i follow show me a positive prophecy besides "jesus is coming".

    I agree ALL peolpe need guidance and reinforcements, i just think it's better served with truth, instead faith and beliefs. If you need a doctrine for your heart to show love then you will never show love, because the love is there already or not.

    We all have a reference point, a starting point. Some seek truth and love and some seek lies and hate, it's all just a characteristic of the dual (duality) nature of the universe.

    If you need a reference i'd say watch these videos and see if the truth is for you. Do a google VIDEO search for two clips:

    MYTH OF RELIGION
    and

    KYMATICA.

    The practice of religion IMO encourages one to STOP learning. Oh don't get me wrong the intent of religion is fine, people need to follow a code of conduct. But the application of it involves fables, myths and allegories. So instead presenting the truth and knowledge of self, it asks you to fear and stay stagnant in true spiritual sense.

    Those who are ready for the truth will be ready to receive and those who don't want to open there minds they will continue be(lie)ve.
     
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    hellogood,

    Thank you for that detailed explanation, you have answer my questions plus.

     
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    You should do some further reading in the Book Of Revelation.

    Contrary to what many think, it is not all "gloom and doom."

    It tells of what awaits the unrighteous and how God will reward his servants.....


     
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