Black People : Programming of Black Youth for the Military Industrial Complex?

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  1. Putney Swope

    Putney Swope Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Dwight D Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU

    Is it possible that the actions of the iran Contra aftermath and the flooding of the intentional Black community with drugs and high tech weapons, led to heavy drug dealing filling the prisons as well as making fratricidal music acceptable?

    Just a coincidence?

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    VIDEO GAME MIND CONTROL?

    Video Game Used To Lure New Recruits
    Charlotte Observer
    March 4, 2005

    This is scary and maddening. Unable to get the necessary recruits for the military the old-fashioned way, the U.S. Army has sunk $16 million into a government-sponsored video game that blurs the line between fantasy and the reality of war.
    The taxpayer-financed "America's Army" is so clever a mind game that even the military folks behind it get a little confused when talking it up. Time magazine said Major Chris Chambers, deputy director of the video's development team, had to stop and correct himself when he called the violence, combat and "death animation" in the game "real." "It's not real; it's simulated. But we're simulating reality," he said.
    Got that?
    The computer-based video game was rolled out as a recruitment and training tool -- primarily recruitment -- on July 4, 2002. And players can click a button in the game menu and go directly to an Army recruiting Web site, Time reports.
    The military thinks there's nothing wrong with this. After all, Chambers says, "We treat it openly and honestly ... we don't sugarcoat it." But is it really "honest" when the game focuses on the adrenaline rush of the fight, and doesn't or can't convey the true human costs of war?

    full article;
    http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_game_030405,00.html
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    GANGST RAP DESIGNED TO CREATE A WARLIKE MENTALITY?

    Singer, Alicia Keys, recently made a statement that astounded and shocked the majority of her fans. She inferred that the U.S Government played a part in the creation of “Gangsta rap” and that its primary objective was the mis-education of young black males, and the proliferation of black on black animosity.

    To be sure, a surplus of entertainment blogs and news sites, paying uncritical deference to her words; viciously attacked the singer, berating her for being involved in such conspiracy-theorist activity. What they failed to see, however, is that the “Reaganomics” era laid the foundation for the aggressively-toned form of Hip-Hop that has dominated the airwaves for the last 20 yrs. This couldn’t possibly be a product of happenstance.

    EXERPT from the Black Commentator;
    http://www.blackcommentator.com/277/277_weapons_mass_distraction_olorunda_student_guest.html

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    NATIONAL POLICY

    Fast Times at Recruitment High

    Secretary of Education Arne Duncan invited the Pentagon into Chicago's schools. Will he promote military schools nationwide?
    —By Andy Kroll

    —Photo: Chicago JROTC
    Sun August 30, 2009 1:12 PM PST
    When Arne Duncan stepped down as the head of the Chicago Public Schools to become the secretary of education in January, the school district he left behind had little to brag about. While Duncan served as its chief executive officer, CPS received mostly average or below average rankings in "The Nation's Report Card," a Department of Education assessment of the country's largest urban school districts. Its high school graduation rates lingered at around 50 percent, well short of the national average of 70 percent. And since 2004, CPS has failed as a district to meet No Child Left Behind's "adequate yearly progress" standards. In one area, however, Chicago's schools stood out: In large part to Duncan's efforts, they were—and remain—the most militarized in America.
    Nearly 10,500 of Chicago's 203,000 sixth- through twelfth-graders participate in some kind of military program on campus, from joining the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps to enrolling in Pentagon-sponsored JROTC academies. As the district's CEO (and previously as deputy chief of staff to his predecessor, Paul Vallas), Duncan oversaw the controversial move to bring full-fledged military academies to the Windy City. The district's first, the Chicago Military Academy at Bronzeville, opened in 1999, and three more followed during Duncan's tenure. Today, Chicago has six military high schools run by a branch of the armed services. Six smaller military academies share buildings with existing high schools. Nearly three dozen JROTC programs exist in regular high schools, where students attend a daily JROTC class and wear uniforms to school one day a week. And at the middle school level, there is a JROTC program for sixth, seventh- and eighth-graders.


    full article;
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/08/fast-times-recruitment-high
     
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    Complaining about the military, or drug dealing, or whatever options our young Men and Women take advantage of, is just that, complaining.

    If we aren't offering our young people options, employment / business opportunities, benefits, etc., then we're just complaining about what others are providing them.

    They are our children, and we are responsible for them, but we have not put anything together to offer them.

    Who's fault is that?

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    thank you sister but no where in my post do I make
    any complaints or judgemental statements,
    only questioning the possibility of what could have taken place and what is taking place.

    No opinions or rhetoric
    just posting these articles so folks can come to thier own conclusions
    and eventualy network here to discuss the proactive things you mention, that we need to be about as a people.
     
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    Oh ... okay ... my bad ... :love:

    It's just that while I know we are all dismayed, forlorn, disgusted with the options available to us and our children, they are not going away until we make them go away, until we make them no longer viable options even if they remain on the table.

    We have to give our children more than going to the white man and begging for a job, or hoping for some kind consideration never given to those before them.

    As it stands now, our young people are forced to go into the military, work some minimum wage job, or sell drugs and end up in prison. Yes, there are a few that make it around these options, going to college, becoming a bit more upwardly mobile, with a few more options to consider ... but the vast majority remain at the bottom ... stuck with the coldest, harshest realities and choices of life.

    We've got to come together as a people, despite the pain it may cause us, and give our children some different options.

    I don't know how we're going to do it, but it must be done.

    Okay Brother Putney Swope ... thank you for sharing ... sorry if I was out of order.

    Love You!

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    We've got to come together as a people, despite the pain it may cause us, and give our children some different options.

    There is never pain in helping folks, only joy, and hopefully these few posts will stimulate discussions on solutions.
     
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    GANGST RAP DESIGNED TO CREATE A WARLIKE MENTALITY?

    Singer, Alicia Keys, recently made a statement that astounded and shocked the majority of her fans. She inferred that the U.S Government played a part in the creation of “Gangsta rap” and that its primary objective was the mis-education of young black males, and the proliferation of black on black animosity.

    To be sure, a surplus of entertainment blogs and news sites, paying uncritical deference to her words; viciously attacked the singer, berating her for being involved in such conspiracy-theorist activity. What they failed to see, however, is that the “Reaganomics” era laid the foundation for the aggressively-toned form of Hip-Hop that has dominated the airwaves for the last 20 yrs. This couldn’t possibly be a product of happenstance.

    EXERPT from the Black Commentator;
    http://www.blackcommentator.com/277/...ent_guest.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfj1c3G6mY&feature=related
     
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    Brother Putney Swope ... i think the programming, if you want to refer to it as that, is as simple as have a legal way to provide for your Family, or starve. That probably plays the biggest role in whether someone joins the military or not, if they have comparable options besides that, and usually our men do not.

    If we provide our people jobs, good jobs, fewer will become victim of the "programming."

    Until we do that, call it programming or just wanting to eat, it will probably continue.

    Love You!

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    Putney Swope Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    NNot meaning to be argumentative

    but please understand dear heart that, and I do not have the documentaion at hand for direct verification, but when educational opportunities are strangled such as the George Bush cutting of PEL grants and oher governmental grants and scholarships specificaly because they interfered with getting more youth into the military, there is cause for concern as well as targeting children in high school as posted before with junior ROTC programs, also the well testimonies in NYC by many Blavk parents, of the calling directly of thier homes to steer their children into the military rather then trade school or college then it seems to be some colusion behind this, where we should not allow our children to be helpless victims of corporate wars, so that they won't become adults needing to kill to eat.

    Many of my buddies during the late 70s went into the military some did good and some did not, but it was an opportunity, not a ticket to go into a coprorate manipulated hell dsigned for colonization.
    They all srved thier time, got to see some of the great places in the world like Mombassa Kenya, Paris, London, Hong Kong, Berlin, as well as learn a skill and a trade.
    Such is not the case now in war time in fact the skills training no longer occurs nor simple trades like culinary, carpentry, accounting, and electronics , since Haliburton now does all of that.

    Military enlistment was a wonderful and powerful opportunity for young Black sisters and brothers before 9/11, and many here have uncles or parents and grands who proudly served in a war against a man who wanted to wipe out all of Africa in Worl War 2.
    Heyif I was living back then I would have risked my life to take a shot at that White supremist in Germany.

    The point is not about the military per se' but in regards to an oposition to colonization and corporate wars, and as a civilian there are literaly thousands of veterans, officers and enlisteds who can better explain thier opposition to this imperialism, and the targeting of young minds to war instead of industry.

    The conversation of Black collective economics via owning our own businesses and now sinc banks and manufacturing firms are up for sale the coop purchases of these as well are not a pipe dream and should be tacken seriously so as we can employ our youth rather then letting them simply be the pawns of imperialism because we have failed since the death of Maclm and Martin to ptovide viable employment for our own children and ensuring them with a real prosperous future.
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    Brother Putney Swope ... i don't mean to be argumentative either, not in a bad way.

    I understand what you're saying, but you're talking about a country that has historically and most always mistreated our people. To act surprised that they are continuing to give us the same ... is like walking out in the rain and being surprised you get wet.

    That is what they do, and will probably continue doing, if history serves as any kind of example.

    Therefore, if we are going to go out in the rain, be subject to their continued attempts at destroying us, without coming up with a way to avoid getting wet (so to speak), then that's on us.

    Some say that billions of dollars pass through our collective hands in a year. If this is true, what do we have to show for it?

    I could see if we were helpless children, at the mercy of adults, but we are adults with children ... watching our children be killed and incarcerated ... talking about, them folk are still mistreating us.

    At some point, it can't be their fault anymore, not when we actively perpetuate the conditioning, allow the circumstances to continue by not coming together in effective and productive ways.

    I am beginning to liken it to a woman that gets abused by her man. He keeps beating her, and she keeps crying about it, but she keeps depending on him, keeps going back to him. She doesn't come up with ways to sustain herself, without him. Yeah, he's wrong, but much of her own choices, choosing to believe in him, expecting him to change, expecting him to give her something different ... when he's always given her the same ... is insanity.

    I'm of the opinion, that what we're doing (or not doing) on collective levels, is akin to insanity.

    Love You!

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    not to be rude or nasty I have made umpteenth number of posts regarding what you are talking about ,
    even pulled them up and posted again,

    and like folks just aint digging that kind of scene.
    It's not exciting or interesting
     
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